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Subject: Re: Question for Ed Schröder ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 16:13:28 10/20/04

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On October 20, 2004 at 06:51:31, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On October 19, 2004 at 18:16:00, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>Hello Ed,
>>
>>in my ATL League actually Rebel 12.1 participant.
>>Only one version for each programmers for ATL (one of my private rules) :-))
>>
>>Now I will update Rebel with ProDeo.
>>
>>Normally I have the following update system:
>>King of Kings 2.55 ... newer version King of Kings 2.56 is out and in the
>>ELOlist I have the information:
>>
>>King of Kings 2.55-2.56, 2.5xx ELO.
>>(games from version 2.55 - 2.56 for the ELO calculation).
>>
>>For me isn't important to have from each version an rating list.
>>Not possible with so many engines and different versions!
>>For me are the results and the games more interesting.
>>
>>But now I am thinking about ProDeo!
>>
>>Could I say:
>>ProDeo is a newer version of Rebel 12.1 with the idea to update Rebel 12.1 in
>>ATL with ProDeo and for my ELOlist I have later the information:
>>
>>Rebel 12.1 - ProDeo 1.0, 2.6xx or 2.7xx :-) ELO?
>>Or are Rebel 12.1 and ProDeo total different engines?
>>
>>Good luck in Leiden for the second weekend!
>>
>>Best
>>Frank
>
>
>Hi Frank,
>
>Pro Deo is supposed to be 20-30 elo stronger than Rebel 12.00.01, if you are
>using the September 1, 2004 settings somewhat more. Here are the correct
>settings.
>
>[Personality = REBEL.ENG]       * Default engine (September 1, 2004)
>[Pawn Value = 100]
>[Knight Value = 100]
>[Bishop Value = 100]
>[Rook Value = 100]
>[Queen Value = 100]
>[My Queen = 101]                * 101
>[King Safety = 150]
>[Mobility = 100]
>[Pawn Structure = 100]
>[Passed Pawns = 100]
>[Pins = 100]
>[Bishop Pair = 100]
>[Chess Knowledge = 100]
>[Attractiveness = 101]
>[Attacking = 100]
>[Strength of Play = 100]
>[Draw Contempt Factor = 0.00]
>[Selective Search = 100]
>[Search Technique = NULLMOVE]
>
>[Engine Learner = off]          off|on
>[Book Learner = aggressive]     off|passive|moderate|strong|aggressive
>[Position Learner = on]         off|on
>[Extended Book Learner = off]   off|read|write|read&write
>
>[Pruning = MISC_25]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_37]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_40]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_52]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_66]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_69]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_78]             *
>*
>[Center Control = 25]           * 25
>[Bishop Mobility = 25]          * 25
>[Right to Move = 75]            * 75
>[Strong Squares = 125]          * 125
>*
>[Minimum Knight Mobility = 100] * 100
>[Minimum Bishop Mobility = 100] * 100
>
>[ANTI-GM = OFF]
>[EVALUATION = SMART]
>[Extensions (remaining)= 3]
>[Extensions (checks)= 0]
>[Extensions (captures)= 0]
>
>===============
>
>There is a bug in the time control of all blitz-levels, here are the settings to
>correct that. Pro Deo in the Dutch Open is playing with these settings as the
>time control is 90/all.
>
>[Personality = BLITZ.ENG]       * Engine for Blitz levels (October 20, 2004)
>[Pawn Value = 100]
>[Knight Value = 100]
>[Bishop Value = 100]
>[Rook Value = 100]
>[Queen Value = 100]
>[My Queen = 101]                * 101
>[King Safety = 150]
>[Mobility = 100]
>[Pawn Structure = 100]
>[Passed Pawns = 100]
>[Pins = 100]
>[Bishop Pair = 100]
>[Chess Knowledge = 100]
>[Attractiveness = 101]
>[Attacking = 100]
>[Strength of Play = 100]
>[Draw Contempt Factor = 0.00]
>[Selective Search = 100]
>[Search Technique = NULLMOVE]
>
>[Engine Learner = off]          off|on
>[Book Learner = aggressive]     off|passive|moderate|strong|aggressive
>[Position Learner = on]         off|on
>[Extended Book Learner = off]   off|read|write|read&write
>
>[Pruning = MISC_25]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_37]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_40]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_52]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_66]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_69]             *
>[Pruning = MISC_78]             *
>*
>[Center Control = 25]           * 25
>[Bishop Mobility = 25]          * 25
>[Right to Move = 75]            * 75
>[Strong Squares = 125]          * 125
>*
>[Minimum Knight Mobility = 100] * 100
>[Minimum Bishop Mobility = 100] * 100
>*
>[Time Control = 125]            * 125
>[Time Control Status = ALWAYS]  * ALWAYS|PB ONLY
>
>[ANTI-GM = OFF]
>[EVALUATION = SMART]
>[Extensions (remaining)= 3]
>[Extensions (checks)= 0]
>[Extensions (captures)= 0]
>
>=========
>
>Cherio,
>
>Ed

Hi Ed,

OK, thansk for all the infos.
Have config now ProDeo and will play the next ATL games with ProDeo.
At the moment ATL League C round 4 is running. After this tourney comes the next
qualification for ATL League C and then three mixed tourneys (League A, B, C).
Will have a better ELO-rating list and Engines in League C must be a chance to
play against engines from League A, idea by Uri :-)

Your engine (Rebel 12.1) is playing in League A and won on of the first 4
tourneys. Rebel have very good results ...

Look here (rating list, will be better with more ATL tourneys).
Dual Xeon 2.8 GHz, ponder = on, 40 moves in 10 minutes, 5-pieces with 32Mb cash
and max. 256 Mb for hash ...


    Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.
Draws
  1 Shredder 8.0                   : 2756   47  55   130    68.1 %   2624   33.1
%
  2 The King 3.23 Pillen           : 2701   53  59   130    60.4 %   2628   19.2
%
  3 List 5.13 Beta                 : 2688   54  47   130    58.5 %   2629   35.4
%
  4 Aristarch 4.50                 : 2685   54  53   130    58.1 %   2629   25.4
%
  5 Rebel 12.001                   : 2675   51  52   132    61.7 %   2592   29.5
%
  6 Gandalf 4.32h                  : 2657   58  48   130    53.8 %   2630   29.2
%
  7 Deep Sjeng 1.6                 : 2657   58  44   130    53.8 %   2630   35.4
%
  8 Ruffian 2.1.0                  : 2657   58  45   130    53.8 %   2630   33.8
%
  9 SOS.4 for Arena                : 2632   51  51   130    50.0 %   2632   32.3
%
 10 Ktulu 5.1 - 5.2                : 2619   48  60   130    48.1 %   2633   26.9
%
 11 SmarThink X                    : 2617   46  60   130    47.7 %   2633   30.8
%
 12 Thinker 4.6b - 4.6c            : 2609   40  58   130    46.5 %   2633   42.3
%
 13 Nimzo 2000b                    : 2605   55  51   132    56.4 %   2560   26.5
%
 14 Yace Paderborn - 0.99.87       : 2587   48  60   132    48.5 %   2597   25.8
%
 15 Pepito 1.59                    : 2585   53  53   134    59.0 %   2522   25.4
%
 16 Gothmog 1.0                    : 2574   50  58   132    46.6 %   2598   23.5
%
 17 Crafty 19.13 - 19.17           : 2571   48  54   130    40.8 %   2636   33.8
%
 18 Delfi Trainer 4.4 - 4.5        : 2559   45  56   132    44.7 %   2596   34.8
%
 19 AnMon 5.32 - 5.40              : 2552   53  55   136    58.8 %   2490   22.1
%
 20 Tao 5.6                        : 2546   58  49   134    52.6 %   2527   24.6
%
 21 WildCat 3.0 - 4.0              : 2542   54  50   136    57.4 %   2490   27.9
%
 22 Zarkov 4.67 Privat             : 2540   50  58   134    47.0 %   2561   22.4
%
 23 Pharaon 2.62 - 3.00 Beta       : 2538   59  47   134    51.9 %   2525   27.6
%
 24 Patriot 1.3.0                  : 2533   47  57   134    45.9 %   2561   29.1
%
 25 Amyan 1.592 - 1.594            : 2529   55  51   136    55.5 %   2491   22.8
%
 26 King of Kings 2.56             : 2510   58  45   136    52.6 %   2492   30.1
%
 27 LGoliath Revival               : 2498   60  47   136    50.7 %   2493   25.0
%
 28 GLChess 3.00 - 3.034           : 2479   55  68   102    48.0 %   2493   25.5
%
 29 Fafis 1.09 - X                 : 2472   58  54   112    58.9 %   2409   30.4
%
 30 Lamb Chop 10.99                : 2468   50  50   136    50.0 %   2468   30.9
%
 31 Abrok 5.0                      : 2463   47  60   136    49.3 %   2468   25.0
%
 32 Insomniac 0.69a Privat         : 2446   47  57   136    46.7 %   2469   27.2
%
 33 Knight Dreamer 3.2 - 3.3       : 2445   56  53   136    54.8 %   2412   19.9
%
 34 Nejmet 3.07 - 3.06             : 2441   47  57   136    46.3 %   2466   27.9
%
 35 Movei 00.8.236 - 00.8.263      : 2438   57  43   136    53.7 %   2412   35.3
%
 36 Naum 1.0 - 1.3                 : 2435   46  60   136    49.3 %   2440   27.9
%
 37 Quark 2.35                     : 2432   71  54    78    58.3 %   2374   42.3
%
 38 Jonny 2.64                     : 2424   72  66    78    57.1 %   2375   26.9
%
 39 DanChess 1.05 - 1.06           : 2418   52  70   102    49.5 %   2421   28.4
%
 40 Comet B68                      : 2417   65  59   102    38.7 %   2496   22.5
%
 41 The Crazy Bishop 0052          : 2416   66  50   112    50.4 %   2413   27.7
%
 42 Fruit 1.5                      : 2406   67  54   102    52.9 %   2385   27.5
%
 43 Leila 0.53h                    : 2405   54  62   102    42.2 %   2460   33.3
%
 44 SlowChess 2.93a                : 2392   54  60   102    40.2 %   2461   35.3
%
 45 The Baron 1.30 - 1.40          : 2377   52  68   102    48.5 %   2387   30.4
%
 46 Post Modernist 1010a           : 2374   50  68   102    48.0 %   2387   33.3
%
 47 Terra 3.3 Beta 11              : 2370   60  67   102    47.5 %   2387   18.6
%
 48 Spike 0.6 - 0.7                : 2370   62  79    78    48.7 %   2379   25.6
%
 49 Dragon 4.5                     : 2365   55  62   102    41.7 %   2423   32.4
%
 50 Amy 0.87                       : 2361   62  66   102    46.1 %   2388   17.6
%
 51 Phalanx 22                     : 2358   65  61   102    40.7 %   2423   20.6
%
 52 Amateur 2.70                   : 2353   56  63   112    46.4 %   2377   21.4
%
 53 Frenzee 1.57 - 1.59            : 2351   75  56   102    34.3 %   2464   17.6
%
 54 Capture R1                     : 2350   51  63   112    46.0 %   2378   29.5
%
 55 Betsy 6.51                     : 2349   47  54   146    45.2 %   2382   26.0
%
 56 Ufim 5.00 - 5.01               : 2329   54  60   112    42.9 %   2379   28.6
%
 57 Chezzz 1.03                    : 2317   53  58   112    41.1 %   2380   32.1
%
 58 Patzer 3.61                    : 2293   63  55   112    37.5 %   2382   23.2
%
 59 Trace 1.30                     : 2284   80  92    44    37.5 %   2373   38.6
%

Best
Frank



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