Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:48:35 10/22/04
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On October 22, 2004 at 17:36:43, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 22, 2004 at 16:17:16, Tord Romstad wrote: > >>On October 22, 2004 at 15:31:20, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/ >>>See "Premier Div." drop down. >>> >>>Elostat output: >>> >>> Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws >>> 2 Aristarch 4.50 : 2714 72 81 64 65.6 % 2602 28.1 % >>> 6 Ruffian 2.1.0 : 2659 80 61 64 57.8 % 2604 40.6 % >>> >>>A lot of uncertainty remains, clearly, from the size of the error bars. >> >>It seems to me that Ruffian 1.0.5 is still clearly stronger. Ratings from a few >>of the most >>popular public rating lists (notice that in all lists, the error bars are much >>smaller than the >>above): >> >> Rating + - Games Score Av.op Draws >>UEL: >> 1 Ruffian 1.0.5 2654 18 23 879 66.2% 2537 27.2% >> 3 Aristarch 4.50 2602 26 27 507 59.8% 2533 27.6% >> >>AEGT: >> 2 Ruffian 1.0.5 2760 46 54 152 63.8% 2662 25.0% >> 3 Aristarch 4.50 2749 47 52 152 62.2% 2663 25.7% >> >>HvK Nunn list: >>10 Ruffian 1.0.5 2754 19 24 762 66.0% 2639 29.9% >>15 Aristarch 4.50 2692 18 25 882 67.1% 2568 24.0% >> >>YABRL: >> 7 Ruffian 1.0.1 2649 16 22 1015 67.7% 2520 27.9% >>10 Aristarch 4.50 2614 17 19 1117 60.8% 2538 26.6% >> >>Looks rather convincing to me. > >Not to me >I guess that all these lists except AEGT are blitz and the gap in AEGT is the >smallest. > >Ruffian may be better in blitz than Aristarch but not better than it at longer >time control. > >I believe that the rating lists that you give are based on ponder off games. >WBEC is based on ponder on games and I read >the following rating list by Frank quisinsky in the arena forum based on ponder >on games at 10/40 time control. > >4 Aristarch 4.50 : 2685 54 53 130 58.1 % 2629 >8 Ruffian 2.1.0 : 2657 58 45 130 53.8 % 2630 33.8 % > > >Uri Here is another one at slow time control( 80+3) http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/nil/NIL6_rat.txt -2 3 Aristarch 4.50 : 2737 153 115 20 60.0 % 2667 40.0 % -1 4 Gothmog 1.0 beta 7 : 2720 149 146 20 62.5 % 2632 25.0 % 0 5 Chinito 3.4c : 2712 153 133 20 60.0 % 2641 30.0 % 0 6 Ruffian 1.0.1 : 2702 39 56 179 70.9 % 2547 25.7 % You can see again that Aristarch is better than Ruffian Aristarch played only 20 games so it is not convincing but it is not surprising that you cannot find a lot of games in slow time control and at least the evidence that I see does not support the claim that Ruffian is better than Aristarch at slow time control. Uri
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