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Subject: Re: SSDF should test Aristarch 4.50 instead of endless Crafty XX.YYs !!

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 09:33:58 10/28/04

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On October 28, 2004 at 09:38:04, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 27, 2004 at 17:07:06, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On October 27, 2004 at 15:09:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 27, 2004 at 14:04:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 27, 2004 at 03:46:11, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 27, 2004 at 02:03:57, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>IMHO testing Crafty is waste of power...
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree totally, since there has been so many versions of Crafty tested by the
>>>>>SSDF.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Care to enumerate all those "versions"?  I believe the current count is "two".
>>>
>>>Crafty19.17 is the 3th version
>>>There are already 2 versions:
>>>
>>>38 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz  2616   27   -27   647   52%  2605
>>>62 Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz      2497   22   -22  1042   43%  2549
>>>
>>>see http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>18 Fritz's
>>
>>   3 Deep Fritz 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz   2790   26   -25   855   72%  2625
>>   6 Deep Fritz 7.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz   2769   24   -24   898   66%  2655
>>   7 Fritz 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2759   22   -22  1043   65%  2649
>>  10 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2744   29   -28   634   63%  2653
>>  16 Deep Fritz 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz        2718   30   -29   571   61%  2642
>>  28 Deep Fritz 7.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz      2655   31   -31   498   53%  2637
>>  29 Deep Fritz  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2650   22   -21  1071   58%  2590
>>  35 Fritz 7.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz           2633   38   -37   348   53%  2611
>>  38 Fritz 6.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz           2616   18   -18  1501   53%  2597
>>  49 Fritz 5.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2559   20   -20  1194   48%  2576
>>  63 Fritz 5.32  64MB P200 MMX               2493   14   -14  2409   44%  2539
>>  70 Fritz 5.0 PB29%  67MB P200 MMX          2463   23   -22  1005   66%  2346
>> 114 Fritz 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2244   18   -19  1438   42%  2301
>> 116 Fritz 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2235   40   -39   324   60%  2164
>> 136 Fritz 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2158   20   -20  1226   45%  2192
>> 159 Fritz 2.0  486/33 MHz                   2030   30   -31   527   45%  2064
>> 177 Fritz 1.0  486/33 MHz                   1941   48   -47   215   55%  1908
>> 188 Fritz 1.0  386/25-33 MHz                1907   66   -67   113   46%  1938
>>
>>15 Hiarcs'
>>
>>   9 Hiarcs 9.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz       2747   26   -26   744   61%  2667
>>  21 Hiarcs 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz       2684   22   -22   996   53%  2663
>>  45 Hiarcs 8.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2588   33   -34   440   42%  2648
>>  55 Hiarcs 7.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2534   18   -18  1496   41%  2599
>>  57 Hiarcs 7.01  128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2522   30   -31   525   43%  2574
>>  69 Hiarcs 7.32  64MB P200 MMX              2473   21   -21  1134   52%  2460
>>  70 Hiarcs 7.0  64MB P200 MMX               2463   21   -21  1112   55%  2424
>>  76 Hiarcs 6.0  49MB P200 MMX               2422   24   -24   829   56%  2378
>>  91 Hiarcs 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2336   18   -18  1437   51%  2332
>>  93 Hiarcs 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2329   38   -36   363   59%  2264
>> 101 Hiarcs 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2294   25   -25   766   55%  2259
>> 106 Hiarcs 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2275   30   -30   545   56%  2230
>> 125 Hiarcs 3.0 486/50-66 MHz                2198   24   -24   865   50%  2195
>> 149 Hiarcs Master 2.0  486/33 MHz           2100   46   -46   229   51%  2090
>> 174 Hiarcs Master 1.0  486/33 MHz           1970   48   -48   214   48%  1986
>>
>>
>>14 Shredder's
>>
>> 1 Shredder 8.0 CB  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2818   34   -32   481   70%  2673
>> 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2809   24   -23   967   71%  2648
>> 5 Shredder 7.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz     2772   27   -25   801   70%  2624
>>11 Shredder 6.0 Pad UCI 256MB Athlon 1200  2725   22   -22  1033   62%  2642
>>12 Shredder 6.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz     2723   31   -30   547   62%  2634
>>19 Shredder 7.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz     2699   34   -34   429   54%  2669
>>26 Shredder 5.32  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2663   26   -26   739   50%  2661
>>37 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz     2618   43   -43   264   52%  2607
>>41 Shredder 5.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2608   25   -25   759   54%  2581
>>46 Shredder 5.0  128MB  K6-2 450 MHz       2583   17   -18  1582   48%  2600
>>47 Shredder 4.0  128MB  K6-2 450 MHz       2572   23   -22   986   58%  2512
>>77 Shredder 3.0  64MB P200 MMX             2420   20   -20  1262   48%  2432
>>81 Shredder 2.0  58MB P200 MMX             2405   19   -19  1314   44%  2445
>>104 Shredder 1.0 Pentium 90 MHz             2285   59   -58   145   53%  2265
>>
>>13 MChess's
>>
>>  66 MChess Pro 8.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz      2481   25   -26   753   40%  2552
>>  79 MChess Pro 6.0  41MB P200 MMX           2410   24   -24   831   52%  2397
>>  82 MChess Pro 7.1  46MB P200 MMX           2398   22   -22  1042   53%  2375
>>  83 MChess Pro 8.0  64MB P200 MMX           2395   27   -27   683   53%  2371
>>  94 MChess Pro 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2313   17   -17  1726   45%  2347
>>  96 MChess Pro 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2308   26   -25   769   63%  2216
>> 111 MChess Pro 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2256   29   -29   578   52%  2240
>> 118 MChess Pro 5.0 486/50-66 MHz            2229   26   -26   691   50%  2232
>> 122 MChess Pro 4.0 486/50-66 MHz            2210   24   -24   846   53%  2186
>> 134 MChess Pro 3.5  486/50-66 MHz           2168   23   -22   958   51%  2160
>> 135 MChess Pro 3.12  486/50-66 MHz          2165   36   -34   438   69%  2023
>> 141 MChess Pro 3.12  486/33 MHz             2126   50   -48   208   60%  2052
>> 151 MChess 1.1-1.71  486/33 MHz             2093   44   -40   326   74%  1914
>>
>>13 Rebel's
>> 20 Rebel 12.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz       2691   34   -33   442   56%  2647
>> 23 Rebel Century 4.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2677   29   -29   590   60%  2606
>> 48 Rebel Century 4.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz   2569   52   -53   178   46%  2595
>> 58 Rebel Century 3.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz   2521   30   -30   546   49%  2527
>> 75 Rebel 9.0  47MB P200 MMX                2424   24   -23   920   61%  2343
>> 78 Rebel 8.0  51MB P200 MMX                2412   22   -22  1011   47%  2436
>> 89 Rebel 8.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2340   18   -18  1435   55%  2305
>> 90 Rebel 9.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2339   23   -23   890   47%  2360
>> 96 Rebel 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2308   31   -30   540   60%  2236
>> 99 Rebel 7.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2302   26   -25   759   61%  2220
>>120 Rebel 7.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2227   25   -25   757   49%  2237
>>125 Rebel 6.0 486/50-66 MHz                 2198   24   -23   887   55%  2164
>>131 Rebel Decade Pentium 90 MHz             2176   29   -30   563   45%  2214
>>
>>9 Junior's
>>
>>   4 Junior 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz       2782   27   -26   750   67%  2654
>>   8 Deep Junior 8.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz  2749   35   -33   439   64%  2644
>>  18 Junior 7.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz      2702   24   -23   881   54%  2674
>>  34 Junior 7.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2634   21   -21  1143   56%  2591
>>  44 Junior 6.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2598   15   -15  2061   51%  2594
>>  52 Junior 5.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2543   21   -21  1088   50%  2541
>>  73 Junior 5.0  64MB P200 MMX               2436   18   -18  1458   45%  2475
>> 102 Junior 4.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2291   22   -22  1035   42%  2345
>> 109 Junior 3.3-3.5  Pentium 90 MHz          2260   31   -31   516   47%  2279
>>
>>9 Tiger's
>>
>>  14 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2719   30   -30   557   61%  2640
>>  14 Chess Tiger 15.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2719   23   -22   983   58%  2659
>>  17 Gambit Tiger 2.0  256MB Athlon 1200     2715   29   -29   583   58%  2656
>>  25 Chess Tiger 15.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2666   34   -33   433   52%  2651
>>  31 Gambit Tiger 2.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2640   28   -27   674   64%  2538
>>  31 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2640   23   -23   905   55%  2608
>>  43 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450     2602   19   -19  1365   50%  2603
>>  85 Chess Tiger 11.8  Pentium 90 MHz        2386   43   -43   261   50%  2387
>> 147 Chess Tiger 14.9 Palm m515 16MB 42MHz   2102   69   -74   100   39%  2181
>>
>>9 Chessmaster's
>>
>>  13 Chessmaster 9000  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2720   36   -36   376   55%  2682
>>  59 Chessmaster 8000  128MB K6-2 450 MHz    2520   44   -45   251   45%  2552
>>  68 Chessmaster 6000  64MB P200 MMX         2477   61   -53   184   76%  2281
>> 103 Chessmaster 5000 Pentium 90 MHz         2288   49   -45   240   67%  2163
>> 129 Chessmaster 4000 486/50-66 MHz          2192   34   -33   462   66%  2072
>> 202 Chessmaster 3000  386/25-33 MHz         1832   68   -74   103   36%  1931
>> 248 Chessmaster 2100 Amiga 68000            1587   65   -76   120   25%  1774
>> 256 Chessmaster 2000 Atari  68000 8 MHz     1554   41   -45   312   25%  1741
>>
>>8 Gandalf's
>>
>>  27 Gandalf 4.32h  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2660   31   -31   514   53%  2637
>>  30 Gandalf 5.0  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz      2648   44   -45   250   43%  2697
>>  33 Gandalf 5.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz      2639   25   -25   758   55%  2606
>>  53 Gandalf 5.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz         2541   73   -68   102   60%  2467
>>  54 Gandalf 4.32f  128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2536   28   -28   627   51%  2529
>>  56 Gandalf 4.32h  128MB K6-2 450 MHz       2524   34   -34   418   52%  2509
>>  86 Gandalf 3.0  64MB P200 MMX              2368   41   -40   307   59%  2300
>> 178 Gandalf 2.1 Pentium 90 MHz              1938   46   -51   242   27%  2113
>>
>>8 Nimzo's
>>
>>  50 Nimzo 7.32  128MB K6-2 450 MHz          2556   19   -19  1364   48%  2569
>>  50 Nimzo 8.0  128MB K6-2 450 MHz           2556   21   -21  1148   47%  2576
>>  64 Nimzo 99  128MB K6-2 450 MHz            2489   22   -22   996   44%  2531
>>  72 Nimzo 99  64MB P200 MMX                 2452   23   -23   885   51%  2444
>>  74 Nimzo 98  58MB P200 MMX                 2434   19   -19  1352   51%  2430
>> 100 Nimzo 3.5 Pentium 90 MHz                2297   22   -22   998   46%  2326
>> 105 Nimzo 3.0  Pentium 90 MHz               2281   26   -25   767   58%  2222
>> 180 Nimzo 2.2.1 486/33 MHz                  1934   46   -47   229   42%  1988
>>
>>
>>2 Ruffian's
>>
>>  22 Ruffian 1.0.1  256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2679   29   -29   565   53%  2658
>>  36 Ruffian 2.0.0  256MB  Athlon 1200 MHz   2620   54   -55   165   48%  2635
>>
>>
>>I suspect testing too many Crafty's is not the issue here.
>>
>>;>)
>
>The comparison is relative to other amateurs.

Why the comparision to Crafty?  Bob has won two world championships and has been
chess programming longer than most of the other authors have been on the face of
the earth.  I agree that perhaps other "amatuers" should be tested - but not at
the expense of Crafty.  We can go with few less testing of the professionals
(imo) as shown above.  Do we really need 4 different flavors of Frizt 7?


>
>Yace,LittleGoliath,Sos List,
>Aristarch,delfi,pharaon,GreenLight,
>smarthink,Tao,Quark,Gothmog
>
>Most of them were not tested and none of them were tested even twice.
>
>Uri



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