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Subject: And then there were six Re: For Ed Schröder

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 17:47:24 10/30/04

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Though there is probably no connection with the ply displayproblem from Thomas,
I just got a case not of missing lines, but one of duplicate lines with a
version of "Search & Destroy" settings, that I call S&D 6_7e. I suspect the
parameter [Pruning = MISC_01]* TREE: if (reduce & rd=0) goto tr76
to be the culprit. The extra lines at ply ten can be partly explained as false
fail highs, but why are there two of them it seems? The position was the one Bas
Hamstra gave below from the Tao-Tiger game.

[D] r2qr1k1/pb4b1/1pnP2pp/5p2/5PB1/B4NQ1/P5PP/2R1R1K1 w - -

Pro Deo 1.0 S&D 6_7e

00:00:00.8	0,03	1	79	Rxe8+ Qxe8
00:00:00.8	0,34	1	606	Bh3
00:00:00.8	0,34	2	969	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1
00:00:00.9	0,64	3	3991	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:00.9	0,64	4	13153	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:01.0	0,64	5	23619	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Re8 d7 Re6
00:00:01.1	0,64	6	43271	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Re8 d7 Re6
00:00:01.9	0,67	7	138688	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Nxc6 Bxc6 Re7
00:00:04.0	0,50	8	488829	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Re3 a5 d7 Nd4
00:00:11.0	0,35	9	1660181	Bh3 Qf6 d7 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Bd5 Rd1
00:00:36.2	0,06	10	5996844	Bh3 Qf6 Rcd1 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Be4 Bb4 Rc8
00:00:44.8	0,06	10	7810505	Bxf5
00:00:45.0	0,06	10	5996844	Bh3 Qf6 Rcd1 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Be4 Bb4 Rc8
00:01:02.8	0,06	10	11540665	Bh3 Qf6 Rcd1 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Be4 Bb4
Rc8
00:01:05.0	0,06	10	11949349	Bxf5
00:01:39.0	1,70	10	18320550	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf8 Nh4 Kh7 Qg6+ Kh8 d7
Bxb2 Re8 Bd4+ Kh1 Nb4
00:01:58.9	1,70	11	22298118	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf8 Nh4 Kh7 Qg6+ Kh8 d7
Bxb2 Re8 Bd4+ Kh1 Nb4
00:14:21.0	2,77	12	157538543	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf8 Nh4 Qf7 Nxf5 Kh7 Qxg7+
00:14:59.8	2,77	13	166212741	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf8 Nh4 Qf7 Nxf5 Kh7 Qxg7+


I never saw a case of missing lines but that is possibly because I very rarely
get as deep as 17 ply.

The score here for S&D 6_7e at twelve and thirteen ply looks good but the line
itself is a little less convincing. I have made a version S&D 6_7e3 that finds
Bxf5 an ieny mieny bit faster, because no false fail highs, score at ply twelve
does not go up though.


S&D 6_7e3, Celeron 500 MHz 28 Mb HT

00:00:00.7	0,03	1	79	Rxe8+ Qxe8
00:00:00.7	0,35	1	602	Bh3
00:00:00.7	0,34	2	965	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1
00:00:00.7	0,66	3	4004	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:00.8	0,66	4	7649	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:00.8	0,64	5	18485	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Re8 d7 Re6
00:00:01.0	0,64	6	38073	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Re8 d7 Re6
00:00:01.7	0,67	7	135340	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Nxc6 Bxc6 Re7
00:00:03.8	0,55	8	469626	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Re3 b5 d7 Nd4 Bc5
00:00:10.8	0,31	9	1643836	Bh3 Qf6 d7 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Be4 Re2 a6
00:00:40.0	0,05	10	6582856	Bh3 Qf6 Rcd1 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5
00:00:53.6	0,05	10	9426418	Bxf5
00:00:56.8	0,65	10	10146503	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7 Nd4 Rc7
00:01:21.3	1,11	11	15295727	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7 Nd4 Rc7 Qb5
Bxd4 Bxd4+ Kh1 Bxg2+ Qxg2 Qd3
00:03:41.6	1,01	12	43457723	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7 Rxe7
00:22:05.2	2,10	13	245053129	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7 Bd4+ Bxd4
01:23:21.8	2,34	14	912027931	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7 Rxe7

S&D 6_7

00:00:00.7	0,02	1	79	Rxe8+ Qxe8
00:00:00.8	0,34	1	602	Bh3
00:00:00.8	0,33	2	965	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1
00:00:00.8	0,63	3	4258	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:00.9	0,63	4	12302	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5
00:00:01.0	0,64	5	23915	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Re8 d7 Re6
00:00:01.1	0,64	6	46871	Bh3 Rxe1+
00:00:01.8	0,67	7	132715	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Nxc6 Bxc6 Re7
00:00:03.4	0,51	8	357023	Bh3 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf6 Ne5 Kh7 Re3 a6 d7 Nd4 Bb4
00:00:08.9	0,22	9	1181286	Bh3 Qf6 d7 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Bd5 Bd6 Bxa2
00:00:30.6	0,07	10	4597570	Bh3 Qf6 Rcd1 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Qf7 Ne5 Nxe5 fxe5 Be4 Bb4 Qc4
00:01:14.6	0,00	11	11657325	Bh3 Qf6 Qf2 Rxe1+ Rxe1 Kh7 d7 Qc3 Bd6 Re8
00:01:37.9	0,00	11	16010894	Bxf5
00:01:49.6	0,77	11	18154014	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Bc6 Bxg7 Rxe1+
00:02:56.2	1,07	12	30752865	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7
00:15:51.1	2,06	13	168538079	Bxf5 gxf5 Bb2 Qd7 Nh4 Kh8 Ng6+ Kh7 Ne7



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