Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 06:12:56 11/04/04
Go up one level in this thread
On November 04, 2004 at 08:49:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On November 04, 2004 at 06:20:39, Karl-Heinz Milaster wrote: > >Hi, > >I believe FICS or other chess server have millions of games from computer >programs. I am not sure why but the games aren't available. > >I believe we have today the biggest collectiion of computer chess games if we >collect only the games from chess server, perhaps 10 Million games are played, I >don't know. > >Companys, like ChessBase must have a big database to improved the opening books >for chess engines if ChessBase only looking on all the played games on the own >server :-) > >A little secret I believe :-)) > >I collect games in the 2-3 years Frank's Chess Page is running. Around (all in >one) 40.000 games are on the page available. User tourneys, own tourneys, other >events. In this time I collect around 500.000 comp-comp games. In the latest >years I collect around 450.000 but not with the same energy the first years. > >I believe all in one we can have a comp database with around 10 million or more >games. This would be great for the book creators and programmers :-) > >Only a short thinking about it! > >Best >Frank Hi, example: We have 100.000 Arena downloads. If each download produce 10 games we have a Million games without any problems :-) But after all I believe only 2-4% from the downloaders give here results for others. And to collect a big database is today a little problem. For around 3-4 years the most downloaders of engines added the own results in computer chess fora or public results on webpages. I believe in the first popular years of WinBoard we have 10-15% of persons which give his results. With time more and more persons have interest but with time a lot of persons loosed the energy from the first years! What is the reason for it? - slower hardware a lot of users have today? The users are thinking that the results are not interesting for the others? - different groups of persons with the result, that more fora and so on are available? A persons which have today an other opinion about a topic open directly a new forum :-) - not sorted information on only one or two main pages (I am happy that we have today one main page for UCI and WB) but a lot of others will try to get a little bit from the big area to make own things ... allways the same in all selections today we have, not only chess. On the other hand, why have all the interesting user pages not enough visitors and why users don't know the work by others? The Reason: The most users are only look for downloads and main information. The test work by others isn't interesting because each user have all possibility to make own things. I hope this is wrong because the work by others is today GOLD! - to many engines, to many possibilities and to many downloads. The workers which come at home and have only one hour time for chess have a lot to do to download all the engines and see the other main information. - GUI software? Today the most GUIs have a lot of options. Users need many hours to understand it and the most used only 5-10% from the options. In times WinBoard is popular the Winboard GUI is good, have not many options but works great. For each new engines we have long threads in computer chess fora. Today we have perhaps two or three messages by users if a programmer add a new engine in WWW. Only the strongest WB / UCI engines have more messages in fora. I can give much more reasons ... And I believe the combination from all is the reason for a bad situation we have today. An amateur programmer from an engine which have 2.000 ELO must a long time search a good tester for a little bit helping. Today we have more programmers as good testers, think so :-) In five years the good testers from today have an own program :-) To make all compatible to all isn't the best way today! This is the results of all what I can see. So we all have to like ChessBase and the non compatible programs: Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs ... this is today better for the commercial area and the user must payed for it. All where the user must payed have a bigger priority to other things the user must not payed. Freeware have such problems since a lot of years. But with time more and more can see that Freeware have a much better result because hundrets of persons help and for a commercial GUI perhaps a hand full persons helps. It's clear that with years a good and long time development freeware have a better results as a commercial software. I say it for five years in a big thread and I will not write here what I must read for bad comments about it. Or not? Thinking on all and then give your comment! Better or not? Perhaps the Freeware area from today must support the commercial ways :-) Freeware today is tooo strong for a good balance !! The first what we have to do is to delete the Arena page, or not? Best Frank
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.