Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 10:29:15 11/04/04
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On November 04, 2004 at 13:13:30, Sandro Necchi wrote: >And Shredder ... >Shredder is the number one in version 7.04 or 8.0. >Every little improvment Stefan can for sell because Stefan is the number 1! >A little advantage for Stefan Meyer-Kahlen. Shredder 9.0 only 20 ELO more and we >are happy, clear that nobody can find out that a program from around 2.700 ELO >is improved with 20 ElO. > >Hi, > >sorry but this is not fully correct. > >Shredder 8 CB was the upgrade to Shredder 7 CB look the SSDF list to see how >much better it is. > >Shredder 8 UCI is the upgrade of Shredder 704 UCI (In this case one needs to buy >Shredder 8 CB and register for Shredder Classic. One can argue that this is more >expensive than Shredder 7, but still less than Deep Fritz 8) > >Unfortunately SSDF did not test Shredder 8 UCI with Shredder Classic interface, >but it is sure it is stronger than Shredder 8 CB, so the above statements are >not 100% correct. > >Also it is not true that we would be happy with 20 Elo points improvements. We >are working a lot to make real improvements...if we are quiet it is because we >are working. > >We are not making any claims because the new version is not ready, so we do not >know yet how much stronger it will be...I call this "professional". > >Sandro Hi Sandro, sorry for my not clear message in case of Shredder! I see without the own book improvements from Shredder 7.04 to Shredder 8.0 from max. 20 ELO. This is OK for me because I like it to have the best available chess programs. 20 ELO more is a big improvements in the case of Shredder because the program have a very high level and to try to make it better is much more work as to try to make a jumping from 50 ELO if the program have 2.200 ELO. Just my opinion ... I am a happy Shredder user from the CD from ChessBase and the Classic GUI by Stefan. I buyed on more times for members for our team the classic GUI. The SSDF list is nice but not important for me. I have all possiblities to have my own test results in a short time. I have exactly 15 machines but only six in used. So I have spoken from my own results. The prices for Shredder are OK for me, never sayed againt the prices or update prices. The work by Stefan with his team is professional for me, never say a bad work against it. I know Stefan, you know that I have run the event Deep Shredder vs. The World and have much contacts to Stefan. He made a good work and have to right a good success. But in the questions ... World is happy with 20 ELO more ... I believe here you are wrong. Every little improvement for such s strong program is great. 20 ELO for Shredder is really a lot. If more clear it's better but the Shredder team made never a bad publicity and ... The same compare to Gandalf !! Stefan develops an own protocol. For Stefan important that the users can used the program under different GUIs. The best GUIs we have today can run with the number one of the available chess programs. Believe me ... the user see it and like it. I believe you have not understand my message or my English is to bad. But in fact with an Arena book Shredder 8.0 is not more as 20 ELO stronger as Shredder 7.04 and the big jumping Stefan made is in version 7.04, I believe around 40-60 ELO stronger as version 7.0 and version 7.0 is around 30 ELO stronger as version 6. This are the results I have ... and this are good results I think! Best Frank
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