Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 10:41:03 11/04/04
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On November 04, 2004 at 13:29:15, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On November 04, 2004 at 13:13:30, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>And Shredder ... >>Shredder is the number one in version 7.04 or 8.0. >>Every little improvment Stefan can for sell because Stefan is the number 1! >>A little advantage for Stefan Meyer-Kahlen. Shredder 9.0 only 20 ELO more and we >>are happy, clear that nobody can find out that a program from around 2.700 ELO >>is improved with 20 ElO. >> >>Hi, >> >>sorry but this is not fully correct. >> >>Shredder 8 CB was the upgrade to Shredder 7 CB look the SSDF list to see how >>much better it is. >> >>Shredder 8 UCI is the upgrade of Shredder 704 UCI (In this case one needs to buy >>Shredder 8 CB and register for Shredder Classic. One can argue that this is more >>expensive than Shredder 7, but still less than Deep Fritz 8) >> >>Unfortunately SSDF did not test Shredder 8 UCI with Shredder Classic interface, >>but it is sure it is stronger than Shredder 8 CB, so the above statements are >>not 100% correct. >> >>Also it is not true that we would be happy with 20 Elo points improvements. We >>are working a lot to make real improvements...if we are quiet it is because we >>are working. >> >>We are not making any claims because the new version is not ready, so we do not >>know yet how much stronger it will be...I call this "professional". >> >>Sandro > >Hi Sandro, Hi, I was not complaining, but only making things more clear. > >sorry for my not clear message in case of Shredder! > >I see without the own book improvements from Shredder 7.04 to Shredder 8.0 from >max. 20 ELO. This is OK for me because I like it to have the best available >chess programs. Not for me. I am making huge pressure on SMK to make higher improvements...unfortunately I am never enough satisfied... >20 ELO more is a big improvements in the case of Shredder >because the program have a very high level and to try to make it better is much >more work as to try to make a jumping from 50 ELO if the program have 2.200 ELO. This is true, but an improvemnt of less than 50 points is not easy to see... >Just my opinion ... > >I am a happy Shredder user from the CD from ChessBase and the Classic GUI by >Stefan. I buyed on more times for members for our team the classic GUI. Yes, I think Shredder is one of the most important programs of CB. > >The SSDF list is nice but not important for me. I have all possiblities to have >my own test results in a short time. I have exactly 15 machines but only six in >used. So I have spoken from my own results. > >The prices for Shredder are OK for me, never sayed againt the prices or update >prices. The work by Stefan with his team is professional for me, never say a bad >work against it. I know Stefan, you know that I have run the event Deep Shredder >vs. The World and have much contacts to Stefan. He made a good work and have to >right a good success. I agree. > >But in the questions ... World is happy with 20 ELO more ... I believe here you >are wrong. Every little improvement for such s strong program is great. 20 ELO >for Shredder is really a lot. I do not agree on this... >If more clear it's better but the Shredder team >made never a bad publicity and ... > >The same compare to Gandalf !! I do not like to speak about other chess programs to avoid missunderstandings, but I have a lot of respect of the Gandalf team. I believe the program is clearly stronger, so the customers should be happy with it. I have not seen it yet, so mine is just an impression based on what I am expecting. >Stefan develops an own protocol. For Stefan important that the users can used >the program under different GUIs. The best GUIs we have today can run with the >number one of the available chess programs. Believe me ... the user see it and >like it. > >I believe you have not understand my message or my English is to bad. Mine is getting worst all the time unfortunately... >But in fact with an Arena book Shredder 8.0 is not more as 20 ELO stronger as >Shredder 7.04 and the big jumping Stefan made is in version 7.04, I believe >around 40-60 ELO stronger as version 7.0 and version 7.0 is around 30 ELO >stronger as version 6. This are the results I have ... and this are good results >I think! I only make the tests with my books, like the SSDF, and I think Shredder 7 book gave an extra strenght to the program compared to Shredder 6...the same would be true with Shredder8a.bkt book. > >Best >Frank Ciao Sandro
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