Author: KarinsDad
Date: 13:53:44 01/15/99
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On January 15, 1999 at 16:08:45, Don Dailey wrote: >Hi KarinsDad, > >Your story indicates to me that they are trying to be fair and >so I don't see a big problem, thank you for posting it. > >The rest of this post is dedicated to the whole discussion and >not to your comments so don't view it as a response to what you >said, it just happened to be the last one in the thread. > >I think we just let the moderators do their job they way they >want to. From everything I've seen so far it appears to me >that don't want lengthy discussions on moderator issues. I >don't think this point of view is right or wrong, it's just >they way they see it and they are the moderators. > >I can tell you that they are just human and they are not going >to see every issue exactly the way you or I might. But if >we don't like it we don't vote for them in 6 months. That's >how it works isn't it? But so far I like they way they are >doing it. Agreed. > >You can't just wait for your first disagreement with them and >then talk about throwing them out. I really don't see any case >where they've been unreasonable. And I can tell you right now >that they will be taking more abuse than any individual member >ever will, so let's give them a break. Agreed. > >I told them in advance that they would get this the first time >they took any action. The "big brother" facist civil liberties >speech was the one I expected and predicted and sure enough they >got hit with it quickly enough. It's not a very imaginative >speech and it doesn't have a thing to do with what is going on >here. > >Another point people never understand is that removing a post >probably doesn't involve some evil motive and is certainly not >equivalent to getting "beat by a cop" as has been implied >though not said directly. Removing a post is a simple way to >get rid of content that might cause trouble later. Anything >that is critical or harsh in any way should go. It's not >personal at all, it's just smart and after all that is what >a moderator is supposed to do. Agreed. > >One thing we never had the guts to do as moderators was to >remove posts that were direct insults of the moderators >themselves. We knew we would get the obvious and also very >unimaginitive evil dictator accusations. I hope these >moderators are fair enough with the group and themselves >to not let these posts stand. > >What is required is that we all have a thick skin. Don't >be a cry baby if your post gets removed, it was more than >likely a pragmatic decision and not a personal one. I >can guarantee you that they DID NOT stand in the background >jumping for joy because they got to remove your post. >Instead I'm sure they found it to be an unpleasant task >and they did it conscientiously and out of a sense of duty >to all of us. > >As far as quitting and leaving in a huff, that is each >members own business. It's probably best for the group >if you can't live with the rules that you leave. > >Now it turns out that this post itself is about moderation, >and we have some evidence that the moderators don't like >these kind of posts. So there is a chance that this post >will get removed. If it does, I won't lose any sleep and >I won't feel insulted in any way whatsoever. Let's give >them the freedom to do their job the way they see fit and >then we can make our judgements in 6 months, that's the >best way. If it keeps going the way it is so far, I'll >vote for them again assuming they haven't burned out yet >(and even if they remove this post.) My only comment is that we should have a mechanism to discuss how things are run on CCC. On off topic posts that deal with how the CCC is run, it appears that there should be a way to get your point of view out to the rest of the CCC membership without either having your post deleted, or resorting to stating your opinion on rgcc. Having a separate "loosely" controlled message board where rule #1 is modified to state "general topics of CCC" would ensure the strength of having diverse points of view while at the same time reinforcing rule #1 on this message board. If it does not deal with computer chess and is not offensive, it gets moved to the general topic CCC message board (possibly with some way to indicate that it was moved). KarinsDad > > >- Don > > [snip]
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