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Subject: Re: Breaking news: Kramnik to skip Super Final

Author: Tony Nichols

Date: 21:53:10 11/10/04

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On November 11, 2004 at 00:51:19, Tony Nichols wrote:

>On November 10, 2004 at 21:21:27, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>
>>>>>>>On November 09, 2004 at 23:24:20, Peter Darin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He is running away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From what?
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>from playing Kasparov of course whom he is afraid to play.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know what makes you think Kramnik is afraid to play Kasparov. After all
>>>>>he beat Kasparov for the title. There is no evidence that he is afraid. There is
>>>>>evidence that Kasparov does not want to play Kramnik. He declined to play in the
>>>>>Dortmund qualifier. He went back to fide. If Kasparov wanted to play Kramnik so
>>>>>bad he would have played in Dortmund. I think many people don't understand that
>>>>>Kramnik is trying to reform chess. Kasparov instigated the mess we have now. I
>>>>>too would like to see them play, but Kasparov should have to qualify.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>I'm afraid I have to side with Peter on this one. Kramnik has been beaten by
>>>>Kasparov since the title for one thing, and he also recently decided he would
>>>>not play the superfinal against Kasparov despite the agreement that the winner
>>>>of both matches would play to unify the titles. I don't think Kramnik is trying
>>>>to reform anything at all and never heard one single word on his part suggesting
>>>>that was his intention. Alekhine, move over, you've got company.
>>>>
>>>>                                            Albert
>>>
>>>Hello Albert
>>>Kramnik did not say he wouldn't play Kasparov. He said he had no commitment to
>>>play Kasparov. He agreed to the Prague agreement yes, but that said he would
>>>play the winner of Kasparov-Ponomariov. There will be no such match.
>>
>>No doubt Kramnik has lawyers capable of saying the same thing, but it's still
>>bunk. Ponomariov was to play Kasparov as he was the official FIDE World
>>Champion, and not because he was Ponomariov.
>Agreed.
>He then made things quite
>>impossible so the match could not take place. Now there is a new FIDE World
>>Champion who will correctly continue the process initiated and Kramnik has found
>>a very convenient loophole.
>>
>I disagree. I think fide is as much to blame as Ponomariov. They were treating
>Kasparov as if he was their champion. Kramnik has not said he won't play. He
>said he's not obligated that's a big difference.
>>>Kramnik has
>>>said in NIC that he wants reform in chess. He also supports the ACP who want to
>>>reform chess, so his intentions are clear.
>>
>>Reform should start by clarifying the state of the World CHampionship title,
>>which has ceased being clear for the past years. When there is finally a
>>possibility to close the rift, his reform desires are nowhere to be found.
>>
>In my opinion the title is very clear. Kramnik became champ by beating the
>champ. He has now defended against a worthy qualified opponent. I believe he has
>every intention of defending against all challengers who qualify to play him.
>Let's not forget that Kasparov left fide in 1992 with the title. Coincidentally
>he didn't come back till he lost it. Now he wants it back. Well, He's not
>calling the shots anymore. Kasparov knows that he can't call himself champ again
>unless he beats Kramnik or whoever beats Kramnik. Kramnik knows this also and
>will not be pushed into a match under whatever conditions fide deems appropiate.
>I think he wants to avoid a situation in which fide can dictate how championship
>will be held without a long term system in place. I call that reform.
>>>Kasparov's intentions are anything
>>>but clear. He insisted that there be no rematch clause for his match with
>>>Kramnik. Now he complains about not getting a rematch. I don't take Kasparov
>>>seriously anymore. He is interested in politics and writing but not chess so
>>>much. He plays very few games a year. Thus he is still the highest rated player
>>>but not the strongest. Based on results Kramnik and Anand are playing better.
>>
>>Anand is certainly showing great results, but Kramnik ?? Aside from barely
>>retaining the title by virtue of drawing the match (a truly bad rule), I'm not
>>sure what these best-player-in-the-world results of his you are referring to. As
>>to Kasparov's supposed weakness, I think he will shine in the upcoming Russian
>>championship, and Kramnik fears that he will lose the strength of his bargaining
>>position if he comes up short. I remember after the results in the mid 90s when
>>Kasparov seemed to lose some steam then as well, and people were quick to
>>announce his impending downfall.
>>
>I think Kasparov will continue to do well in tournaments for a long time. I dont
>think he is as strong of a match player anymore. Just my opinion. Kramnik just
>finished a tough match, so its not surprising he's skipping the tournament
>I think a poor performance would give fide leverage. I hope Kasparov is just in
>a slump like before. I really love his chess! His ethics however, I don't care
>for.
>>>I think the Kramnik-Leko match was more competitive than the Kasparov-Kramnik
>>>match. Now Kasparov is 4 years older and weaker. This is why he doesnt want to
>>>have to qualify. He might not make it.
>>>Regards
>>>Tony
>>
>>That reason you just gave is absurd, and I honestly don't believe you think
>>that. The reason I think he doesn't want to go through a long drawn-out process
>>is simply because he doesn't think he should need to. Whether or not that's
>>right is another story, but I believe that to be correct. I think he still has a
>>few years ahead of him to be number one, unless someone forces him out of the
>>spot, but I agree that one shouldn't be able to sit on one's laurels for 3 years
>>as the current rating system allows. There should be a required minimum per
>>year.
>>
>>                                        Albert
>I absolutely believe he didn't play in Dortmund 2002 because he might lose. It
>was a long tough tournament and there were a few players who could have won. I
>would love to see a rematch between Kasparov and Kramnik. I think the greatest
>thing Kasparov could give back to chess is to qualify to play Kramnik and help
>heal the wound he created in 1992.
>Regards
>Tony

P.S. The last time Kasparov played a qualifying match was in 1983!?



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