Author: Uri Blass
Date: 22:26:27 11/10/04
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On November 11, 2004 at 00:53:10, Tony Nichols wrote: >On November 11, 2004 at 00:51:19, Tony Nichols wrote: > >>On November 10, 2004 at 21:21:27, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>>>On November 09, 2004 at 23:24:20, Peter Darin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>He is running away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From what? >>>>>>>>Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>>from playing Kasparov of course whom he is afraid to play. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't know what makes you think Kramnik is afraid to play Kasparov. After all >>>>>>he beat Kasparov for the title. There is no evidence that he is afraid. There is >>>>>>evidence that Kasparov does not want to play Kramnik. He declined to play in the >>>>>>Dortmund qualifier. He went back to fide. If Kasparov wanted to play Kramnik so >>>>>>bad he would have played in Dortmund. I think many people don't understand that >>>>>>Kramnik is trying to reform chess. Kasparov instigated the mess we have now. I >>>>>>too would like to see them play, but Kasparov should have to qualify. >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Tony >>>>> >>>>>I'm afraid I have to side with Peter on this one. Kramnik has been beaten by >>>>>Kasparov since the title for one thing, and he also recently decided he would >>>>>not play the superfinal against Kasparov despite the agreement that the winner >>>>>of both matches would play to unify the titles. I don't think Kramnik is trying >>>>>to reform anything at all and never heard one single word on his part suggesting >>>>>that was his intention. Alekhine, move over, you've got company. >>>>> >>>>> Albert >>>> >>>>Hello Albert >>>>Kramnik did not say he wouldn't play Kasparov. He said he had no commitment to >>>>play Kasparov. He agreed to the Prague agreement yes, but that said he would >>>>play the winner of Kasparov-Ponomariov. There will be no such match. >>> >>>No doubt Kramnik has lawyers capable of saying the same thing, but it's still >>>bunk. Ponomariov was to play Kasparov as he was the official FIDE World >>>Champion, and not because he was Ponomariov. >>Agreed. >>He then made things quite >>>impossible so the match could not take place. Now there is a new FIDE World >>>Champion who will correctly continue the process initiated and Kramnik has found >>>a very convenient loophole. >>> >>I disagree. I think fide is as much to blame as Ponomariov. They were treating >>Kasparov as if he was their champion. Kramnik has not said he won't play. He >>said he's not obligated that's a big difference. >>>>Kramnik has >>>>said in NIC that he wants reform in chess. He also supports the ACP who want to >>>>reform chess, so his intentions are clear. >>> >>>Reform should start by clarifying the state of the World CHampionship title, >>>which has ceased being clear for the past years. When there is finally a >>>possibility to close the rift, his reform desires are nowhere to be found. >>> >>In my opinion the title is very clear. Kramnik became champ by beating the >>champ. He has now defended against a worthy qualified opponent. I believe he has >>every intention of defending against all challengers who qualify to play him. >>Let's not forget that Kasparov left fide in 1992 with the title. Coincidentally >>he didn't come back till he lost it. Now he wants it back. Well, He's not >>calling the shots anymore. Kasparov knows that he can't call himself champ again >>unless he beats Kramnik or whoever beats Kramnik. Kramnik knows this also and >>will not be pushed into a match under whatever conditions fide deems appropiate. >>I think he wants to avoid a situation in which fide can dictate how championship >>will be held without a long term system in place. I call that reform. >>>>Kasparov's intentions are anything >>>>but clear. He insisted that there be no rematch clause for his match with >>>>Kramnik. Now he complains about not getting a rematch. I don't take Kasparov >>>>seriously anymore. He is interested in politics and writing but not chess so >>>>much. He plays very few games a year. Thus he is still the highest rated player >>>>but not the strongest. Based on results Kramnik and Anand are playing better. >>> >>>Anand is certainly showing great results, but Kramnik ?? Aside from barely >>>retaining the title by virtue of drawing the match (a truly bad rule), I'm not >>>sure what these best-player-in-the-world results of his you are referring to. As >>>to Kasparov's supposed weakness, I think he will shine in the upcoming Russian >>>championship, and Kramnik fears that he will lose the strength of his bargaining >>>position if he comes up short. I remember after the results in the mid 90s when >>>Kasparov seemed to lose some steam then as well, and people were quick to >>>announce his impending downfall. >>> >>I think Kasparov will continue to do well in tournaments for a long time. I dont >>think he is as strong of a match player anymore. Just my opinion. Kramnik just >>finished a tough match, so its not surprising he's skipping the tournament >>I think a poor performance would give fide leverage. I hope Kasparov is just in >>a slump like before. I really love his chess! His ethics however, I don't care >>for. >>>>I think the Kramnik-Leko match was more competitive than the Kasparov-Kramnik >>>>match. Now Kasparov is 4 years older and weaker. This is why he doesnt want to >>>>have to qualify. He might not make it. >>>>Regards >>>>Tony >>> >>>That reason you just gave is absurd, and I honestly don't believe you think >>>that. The reason I think he doesn't want to go through a long drawn-out process >>>is simply because he doesn't think he should need to. Whether or not that's >>>right is another story, but I believe that to be correct. I think he still has a >>>few years ahead of him to be number one, unless someone forces him out of the >>>spot, but I agree that one shouldn't be able to sit on one's laurels for 3 years >>>as the current rating system allows. There should be a required minimum per >>>year. >>> >>> Albert >>I absolutely believe he didn't play in Dortmund 2002 because he might lose. It >>was a long tough tournament and there were a few players who could have won. I >>would love to see a rematch between Kasparov and Kramnik. I think the greatest >>thing Kasparov could give back to chess is to qualify to play Kramnik and help >>heal the wound he created in 1992. >>Regards >>Tony > >P.S. The last time Kasparov played a qualifying match was in 1983!? Kasparov is going to play a qualifying match against the fide champion. Kasparov lost only one match against Kramnik. When karpov lost his match against kasparov he got a rematch in a short time and same happened with botvinik so I do not think that it is unfair if kasparov play kramnik in case that he beat the fide champion. Kasparov needs now to win one match to qualify to play against kramnik. It was not the case with karpov. Karpov after losing the world championship to kasparov needed only one match out of 3 or 2 matches to win it back from kasparov and did not need to qualify(at least for the first matche or the first 2 matches). I am not sure about the exact facts from that time. Kasparov did not complain like kramnik that karpov needs to qualify at that time so I see no reason for kramnik to complain that kasparov needs to qualify. Karpov also lost a big match of 24 games when kasparov lost a match with less games so kasparov had more justification to refuse to another match against karpov at the time that karpov lost his title. Uri
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