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Subject: Re: test position; Kh1 ! very subtle move ! Shredder 8 can't see it

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 04:50:40 11/11/04

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On November 10, 2004 at 20:57:51, Mike Byrne wrote:
...
>White(1): [d]6r1/33P1/8/2p5/2p5/2P5/6R1/2k1K3 w
>
>   white       black
>1.  Kf1         Kd1
>2.  Kg1         Ke1
>3.  Kh2!         Kf1
>
>This is the critical position:
>6r1/33P1/8/2p5/2p5/2P5/6RK/5k2 w
>
>Here 4.Kh1!! must be played
...
>
>then after
>
>  white       black
>4.  ...         Ke1
>5.  Kg1         Kd1
>6.  Kf1         Kc1
>7.  Ke1         ...
>
>we have this position (same position as above but black to move!)
>
>6r1/33P1/8/2p5/2p5/2P5/6R1/2k1K3 b
>
>this a clear and decisive win for white!
[D]6r1/6P1/8/2p5/2p5/2P5/6RK/3k4 w - - 0 1
In fact Kh1 is very strong move, it's a part a the triangulation (Kg1-h2-h1-g1)
to bring the white king on the opposition of the black king. After that it's a
quite clear win : 1. Kf1 Kd1 2. Kg1 Ke1 3. Kh2 Kd1 4. Kh1 Ke1( Kc1 and it's the
same story) 5. Kg1 Kd1 6. Kf1 Kc1 7. Ke1 Re8+ (7... Kb1 8. Kd1 1-0) 8. Kf2!
winning because white threat queening immediately and bring the king near the g
pawn (so black cannot play Kd2 as it was possible when the black rook was on g8)

Glossary : triangulation : http://chess.about.com/cs/reference/g/bldeftri.htm
           opposition : http://chess.about.com/cs/reference/g/bldefopp.htm

Now, the chessengine story ...
Shredder 8 have big trouble to find Kh1! (note that the Nodes/Sec is very low
because of heavy EGTB probe, in KRPPKR , I suppose) and Hiarcs 9 find it easily

I suppose, it's, as usual, due to odd null-moves. Here I want to pride Ed
Schröder who decide to use only even number of null-moves, so we don't lose all
the triangulation subtleties in the endgame !

the logs :

Analysis by Shredder 8:
...
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rd1 6.Rh5 Re1 7.Rg6
  +-  (1.84)   Profondeur: 7/10   00:00:00  2kN, tb=42
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rg4 Rd3
  +-  (1.68)   Profondeur: 8/15   00:00:01  5kN, tb=82
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6
  +-  (1.60)   Profondeur: 9/14   00:00:02  12kN, tb=187
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6 Te8
  +-  (1.65)   Profondeur: 10/15   00:00:03  21kN, tb=348
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd3 8.Rg6 Th8 9.gxh8D
  +-  (1.90)   Profondeur: 11/14   00:00:04  31kN, tb=503
4.Rh3 Rc1 5.Tg3
  +-  (1.90)   Profondeur: 11/17   00:00:04  37kN, tb=522
4.Rh3 Rc1 5.Rh4 Rd1 6.Rh5 Rc1 7.Rg6 Rd1 8.Tg5 Tf8 9.gxf8D
  +-  (2.15)   Profondeur: 12/15   00:00:04  45kN, tb=578
4.Rh3 Rc1 5.Rh4 Rd1 6.Rh5 Rc1 7.Rg6 Rd1 8.Tg5 Tf8 9.gxf8D
  +-  (2.65)   Profondeur: 12/15   00:00:04  49kN, tb=578
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5
  +-  (2.65)   Profondeur: 12/16   00:00:04  57kN, tb=643
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5 Re3 8.Rg6 Rf2 9.Rh7 Th8+ 10.gxh8D
  +-  (2.90)   Profondeur: 13/17   00:00:04  68kN, tb=682
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tb2
  +-  (2.90)   Profondeur: 13/17   00:00:05  71kN, tb=688
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rg3
  +-  (2.65)   Profondeur: 14/24   00:00:05  83kN, tb=749
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Tg3 Rd1 9.Rg6 Tf8 10.gxf8D
  +-  (2.65)   Profondeur: 14/24   00:00:05  92kN, tb=761
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Tg2+ Rxc3 9.Rg5
  +-  (2.40)   Profondeur: 15/19   00:00:05  108kN, tb=844
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Txc5 Rxc3 9.Td5
  +-  (1.90)   Profondeur: 15/21   00:00:06  125kN, tb=968
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re1 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6 Te8
  +-  (1.90)   Profondeur: 15/24   00:00:07  162kN, tb=1315
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re1 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6 Te8 9.Rf5 Tg8 10.Re6 Rc2 11.Rf7
Tf8+ 12.gxf8D
  +-  (2.15)   Profondeur: 16/19   00:00:07  188kN, tb=1935
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re1 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6 Te8 9.Rh7 Rc2
  +-  (2.65)   Profondeur: 16/21   00:00:07  195kN, tb=1943
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Re1 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rg6 Td8 9.Rh7 Td7 10.Tf3 Rc2 11.Rh8
Td8+ 12.Tf8
  +-  (3.82)   Profondeur: 16/22   00:00:08  250kN, tb=2047
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Rf2 7.Rh3
  +-  (3.57)   Profondeur: 17/23   00:00:10  305kN, tb=2634
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Rf2 7.Rh3
  +-  (3.07)   Profondeur: 17/23   00:00:10  322kN, tb=2863
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg3 Rf2 7.Tg6 Re1 8.Rg5 Rd2 9.Rf6 Rxc3 10.Tg3+ Rc2 11.Tg2+
Rd3 12.Rf7 Txg7+ 13.Txg7 c3
  +-  (1.49)   Profondeur: 17/28   00:00:13  490kN, tb=4631
4.Rg1 Re1
  +-  (1.50)   Profondeur: 17/28   00:00:17  628kN, tb=7492
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Tg3 Re2 6.Tg2+ Rd3 7.Rf2 Rxc3 8.Re2
  +-  (1.50)   Profondeur: 17/28   00:00:17  641kN, tb=7591
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Tg3 Rd2 6.Rf2 Rc2 7.Re2 Rb3 8.Rd2 Td8+ 9.Re3 Td3+ 10.Rf4 Rxc3 11.g8D
Tf3+ 12.Rxf3 Rb2
  +-  (1.67)   Profondeur: 18/31   00:00:20  858kN, tb=10183
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rd1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1
  +-  (1.50)   Profondeur: 19/29   00:00:23  1039kN, tb=12299
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Td8
  +-  (1.49)   Profondeur: 20/26   00:00:31  1287kN, tb=18005
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rd1 6.Rh2 Rc1
  +-  (1.48)   Profondeur: 21/30   00:00:54  1671kN, tb=25571
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1
  +-  (1.48)   Profondeur: 22/30   00:01:17  2312kN, tb=41478
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1
  +-  (1.48)   Profondeur: 23/25   00:01:30  2647kN, tb=48996
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1
  +-  (1.48)   Profondeur: 24/27   00:01:50  2927kN, tb=54630
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1 Rd1 8.Rf2 Rc2 9.Tg3 Th8
  +-  (1.73)   Profondeur: 25/28   00:02:56  3406kN, tb=61847
4.Rg1 Re1 5.Rh1 Rf1 6.Rh2 Re1 7.Rg1 Rd1 8.Rf2 Rc2 9.Tg3 Th8
  +-  (1.73)   Profondeur: 25/28   00:03:04  3636kN, tb=63071

Analysis by Hiarcs 9:
...
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg4 Re2
  +-  (1.55)   Profondeur: 8/15   00:00:00  9kN, tb=15
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg5 Re2 7.Rh3 Rf3
  +-  (1.50)   Profondeur: 8/17   00:00:00  10kN, tb=15
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg4 Re2 7.Tg3 Rd2
  +-  (1.52)   Profondeur: 9/17   00:00:01  20kN, tb=36
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg4 Re2 7.Tg3 Rd2 8.Rh5 Rc2
  +-  (1.53)   Profondeur: 10/17   00:00:01  31kN, tb=54
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg4 Re2 7.Tg3 Rd2 8.Rh5 Rc2
  +-  (1.78)   Profondeur: 11/19   00:00:01  45kN, tb=65
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rd1 6.Rh5
  +-  (2.59)   Profondeur: 11/20   00:00:02  65kN, tb=80
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rd1 6.Rh5
  +-  (2.32)   Profondeur: 12/20   00:00:02  95kN, tb=112
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rh6 Rxc3 9.Rh7 Te8 10.g8D Txg8 11.Rxg8
  +-  (1.92)   Profondeur: 12/22   00:00:03  121kN, tb=144
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Rh6 Rxc3 9.Rh7 Te8 10.g8D Txg8 11.Rxg8
  +-  (2.17)   Profondeur: 13/22   00:00:04  166kN, tb=294
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Tg3 Txg7 9.Txg7 Rxc3
  +-  (2.28)   Profondeur: 13/24   00:00:05  195kN, tb=345
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rh5 Rd2 8.Tg3 Txg7 9.Txg7 Rxc3
  +-  (2.03)   Profondeur: 14/25   00:00:07  276kN, tb=527
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rg5 Rd2 8.Rf6 Rxc3 9.Tg3+ Rd4 10.Tg4+ Rd5
11.Tg5+ Rd4 12.Rf7 Td8 13.g8D
  +-  (1.79)   Profondeur: 14/25   00:00:08  368kN, tb=567
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Rg5 Rd2 8.Rf6 Rxc3 9.Tg3+ Rd4 10.Tg4+ Rd5
11.Tg5+ Rd4 12.Rf7 Td8 13.g8D
  +-  (1.54)   Profondeur: 15/28   00:00:10  628kN, tb=793
4.Rh3 Re1 5.Rh4 Rf1 6.Tg6 Re2 7.Tg3 Rd2 8.Rh3 Rc2 9.Rg2 Rb2 10.Rf1 Rc2 11.Re2
  ±  (1.34)   Profondeur: 15/28   00:00:12  857kN, tb=934
4.Rh1 Re1
  +-  (1.41)   Profondeur: 15/28   00:00:12  1041kN, tb=1068
4.Rh1 Re1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rh2 Re1
  +-  (1.62)   Profondeur: 15/28   00:00:12  1064kN, tb=1118
4.Rh1 Re1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1
  +-  (1.77)   Profondeur: 16/28   00:00:13  1184kN, tb=1276
4.Rh1 Re1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1
  +-  (2.02)   Profondeur: 17/29   00:00:16  1469kN, tb=1793
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rb1 6.Rh2 Rc1 7.Rh3
  +-  (2.15)   Profondeur: 17/29   00:00:17  1654kN, tb=2081
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rb1 6.Rh2 Rc1 7.Rh3
  +-  (2.43)   Profondeur: 18/29   00:00:21  2017kN, tb=2888
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1 Rb1 8.Rd1 Td8+ 9.Re2 Te8+ 10.Rf3
  +-  (2.64)   Profondeur: 18/29   00:00:22  2208kN, tb=3072
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1 Rb1 8.Rd1 Td8+ 9.Re2 Te8+ 10.Rf3
  +-  (2.89)   Profondeur: 19/30   00:00:29  2741kN, tb=4092
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1 Rb1 8.Rd1 Td8+ 9.Re2 Tg8 10.Rf3 Rc1 11.Re4
Rd1 12.Rd5
  +-  (3.14)   Profondeur: 19/30   00:00:31  3032kN, tb=4337
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1 Rb1 8.Rd1 Td8+ 9.Re2 Tg8 10.Rf3 Rc1 11.Re4
Rd1 12.Rd5
  +-  (3.39)   Profondeur: 20/32   00:00:45  4120kN, tb=6232
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1
  +-  (3.46)   Profondeur: 20/33   00:00:48  4853kN, tb=7350
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1
  +-  (3.63)   Profondeur: 21/34   00:01:13  7114kN, tb=10126
4.Rh1 Rc1 5.Rg1 Rd1 6.Rf1 Rc1 7.Re1
  +-  (3.88)   Profondeur: 22/35   00:03:14  10927kN, tb=13415



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