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Subject: Re: Please try this Old Classic

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 07:44:52 11/13/04

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On November 13, 2004 at 08:27:14, chandler yergin wrote:

>Composed by Frank Healey in 1846
>
>[D]8/8/3K4/2R5/8/2Pk4/5Q2/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Simple for Humans...
>
>A Mate in 3
>
>Why Engines have trouble with it?

Nice problem, Chandler!

Pro Deo S&D 6_7e3, 500 MHz Celeron, Statistics window of Chess Partner
interface:

00:00:00.6	13,71	1	4	Ke5
00:00:00.7	13,88	1	6	Kd5
00:00:00.7	14,00	1	14	Qd4+ Kc2
00:00:00.7	14,02	2	145	Qd4+ Ke2
00:00:00.7	14,49	2	1222	Qd4+ Ke2 Ra5
00:00:00.7	14,49	2	1556	Rc7
00:00:00.7	14,49	2	1559	Rc7
00:00:00.8	22,27	2	1575	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2
00:00:00.8	22,27	2	1931	Rc8
00:00:00.8	22,27	2	1934	Rc8
00:00:00.8	22,27	2	1931	Rc8
00:00:00.8	 Mate in 7	3	5140	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3
00:00:00.8	 Mate in 7	3	6197	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3
00:00:00.9	 Mate in 7	4	6361	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3
00:00:00.9	 Mate in 7	4	9610	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3
00:00:00.9	 Mate in 4	5	20984	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:00.9	 Mate in 4	5	35727	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:01.0	 Mate in 4	6	37098	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:01.2	 Mate in 4	6	162133	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:01.3	 Mate in 4	7	193095	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:01.9	 Mate in 4	7	276782	Rc7 Ke4 Re7+ Kd3 Qd4+ Kc2 Re2+ Kb3 Qb4#
00:00:02.2	 Mate in 3	8	299705	Rc7 Ke4 Qg3 Kf5 Rf7+ Ke4 Qf3#
00:00:02.6	 Mate in 3	8	350806	Kd7
00:00:02.6	 Mate in 3	8	350816	Kd7
00:00:02.7	 Mate in 2	8	353162	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:02.8	 Mate in 3	8	350806	Kd7
00:00:02.8	 Mate in 2	8	364074	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:03.1	 Mate in 2	9	370216	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:03.7	 Mate in 2	9	425946	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:03.9	 Mate in 2	10	436863	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:04.7	 Mate in 2	10	520288	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:05.0	 Mate in 2	11	537012	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:06.0	 Mate in 2	11	641638	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:06.3	 Mate in 2	12	663942	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:07.3	 Mate in 2	12	783928	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:07.8	 Mate in 2	13	806015	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:08.9	 Mate in 2	13	937984	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:09.2	 Mate in 2	14	961986	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:10.3	 Mate in 2	14	1093917	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:10.8	 Mate in 2	15	1117635	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:11.8	 Mate in 2	15	1249353	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:12.2	 Mate in 2	16	1272600	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:13.3	 Mate in 2	16	1404469	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:13.8	 Mate in 2	17	1427700	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:14.9	 Mate in 2	17	1561164	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:15.2	 Mate in 2	18	1585700	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:16.3	 Mate in 2	18	1718835	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:16.8	 Mate in 2	19	1743370	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:17.9	 Mate in 2	19	1876472	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:18.2	 Mate in 2	20	1901013	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:19.3	 Mate in 2	20	2034160	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:19.8	 Mate in 2	21	2058700	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:20.8	 Mate in 2	21	2191850	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:21.2	 Mate in 2	22	2216391	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:22.4	 Mate in 2	22	2349538	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:23.0	 Mate in 2	23	2374078	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:24.1	 Mate in 2	23	2507228	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:24.7	 Mate in 2	24	2531769	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:25.8	 Mate in 2	24	2664916	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:26.2	 Mate in 2	25	2689456	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:27.3	 Mate in 2	25	2822606	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#
00:00:27.8	 Mate in 2	26	2847147	Kd7 Ke4 Rd5 Kxd5 Qd4#

Game window output of the engine, Pro Deo calls it a mate in three but Chess
Partner calls it mate in two, but its the same output of course:

 [Event "?"]
 [Site "?"]
 [Date "2004.11.13"]
 [White "?"]
 [Black "?"]
 [Result "*"]
 [FEN "8/8/3K4/2R5/8/2Pk4/5Q2/8 w - -"]


 8/8/3K4/2R5/8/2Pk4/5Q2/8 w - -

 00:00:00   1.00  13.71  1.Ke5
 00:00:00   1.01  13.89  1.Kd5
 00:00:00   1.02  14.01  1.Qd4 Kc2
 00:00:00   2.00  14.03  1.Qd4 Ke2
 00:00:00   2.00  14.50  1.Qd4 Ke2 2.Ra5
 00:00:00   2.05  14.50  1.Rc7
 00:00:00   2.05  14.50  1.Rc7
 00:00:00   2.05  22.28  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2
 00:00:00   2.06  22.28  1.Rc8
 00:00:00   2.06  22.28  1.Rc8
 00:00:00   3.00  M 08  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3
 00:00:00   3.00  M 08  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3
 00:00:00   4.00  M 08  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3
 00:00:00   4.00  M 08  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3
 00:00:00   5.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:00   5.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:00   6.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:00   6.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:00   7.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:01   7.00  M 05  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Re7 Kd3 3.Qd4 Kc2 4.Re2 Kb3 5.Qb4
 00:00:01   8.00  M 04  1.Rc7 Ke4 2.Qg3 Kf5 3.Rf7 Ke4 4.Qf3
 00:00:02   8.22  M 04  1.Kd7
 00:00:02   8.22  M 04  1.Kd7
 00:00:02   8.22  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:02   8.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:02   9.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:03   9.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:03  10.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:04  10.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:04  11.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:05  11.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:05  12.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:06  12.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:07  13.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:08  13.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:08  14.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:09  14.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:10  15.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:11  15.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:11  16.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:12  16.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:13  17.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:14  17.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:14  18.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:15  18.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:16  19.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:17  19.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:17  20.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:18  20.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:19  21.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:20  21.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:20  22.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:21  22.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:22  23.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:23  23.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:24  24.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:25  24.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:25  25.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:26  25.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4
 00:00:27  26.00  M 03  1.Kd7 Ke4 2.Rd5 Kxd5 3.Qd4





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