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Subject: Re: draw by insufficient material

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:02:32 11/17/04

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On November 17, 2004 at 14:04:06, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 17, 2004 at 13:35:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 17, 2004 at 08:39:40, milix wrote:
>>
>>>On November 17, 2004 at 08:27:47, Jan K. wrote:
>>>
>>>>Under winboard/arena which of the following positions should be claimed(/can be
>>>>claimed) as drawn by insufficient material-KBKN, KBKNN, KNNKNN? I thought that
>>>>KBKN can be claimed as a draw, but once this position happened under Fritz GUI,
>>>>my engine claimed draw and stopped playing but GUI still expected me to move and
>>>>my engine lost on time. Thx.
>>>
>>>[D] knB5/8/1K6/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>White to move and mate in one - so this position is not a draw. The king is in
>>>the wrong corner.
>>
>>
>>Fine, but what was black's last move?
>>
>>Had to be the knight.  Which could only have come from a6 or c6 otherwise it
>>would have captured the white king.  Therefore there was a forced draw one move
>>earlier, where black left the knight on a6/c6 and moved his king instead.
>>
>>It's a draw.
>
>It is not a draw by insufficient material.
>A program may evaluate it as 0.00 but not stop moving.
>
>Uri

It is a draw by insufficient material so far as I can see.  The definition of
"insufficient material to force checkmate" seems pretty clear.  Neither side can
_force_ checkmate here.



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