Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 17:55:23 11/17/04
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On November 17, 2004 at 19:26:36, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >On November 17, 2004 at 17:34:25, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On November 17, 2004 at 14:20:09, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On November 17, 2004 at 05:34:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 16, 2004 at 21:08:19, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 16, 2004 at 20:37:09, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Being a proud owner of Chess Tiger 14, it pains me to observe posting results >>>>>>here of Tiger 2004. It seems after a long pause since Tiger 15 that Tiger 2004 >>>>>>is not performing, so far, as well as I would have hoped. >>>>>>I passed on buying Tiger 15 waiting for Tiger 16 (2004 , guess) and now I dont >>>>>>expect to buy this version of Tiger for the present time being. >>>>>>Very sad 4 me because Gambit tiger was/is a fun engine... >>>>>>With respect and not wishing to harm Christopher. >>>>> >>>>>From the sound of it, it is a complete redesign. >>>>>I have ordered a copy (which comes with Chess Assistant 8). >>>>>I expect to watch how it plays, to see how much I enjoy it. >>>>> >>>>>I expect big things from Christophe. He has a much faster NPS now, and so he >>>>>has more slack to play with than before. >>>> >>>> >>>>I think that nodes per second are irrelevant here. >>>> >>>>Being twice faster is not more than 50 elo at the ssdf time control and the gap >>>>between shredder and tiger is clearly bigger. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is an engine that may challenge >>>>>Shredder before long. Sometimes, a step sizeways (or even backwards) is >>>>>necessary before we can take a big step forwards. >>>> >>>>I do not expect it to challenge shredder. >>>>It may be better than shredder8 after enough time but shredder also gets better. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>The problem I see is that it's 2 times faster (Nps) but not 50 Elo stronger. In >>>fact at blitz time control G/5min it is showing only about 10 Elo higher than >>>Chess Tiger 15 after over 600 games. If you increase the speed by a factor of 2 >>>and do nothing else you should get a better improvement than what is showing up >>>in my test. >> >>If he had simply put CT on a machine twice as fast, we would see 2x faster and + >>50 Elo or so. But he has (obviously) changed the internal representations in >>some way. Probably, he will have to rewrite lots of things involving evaluation >>(though search should not need much change). >> >>CT has sat at #1 on the SSDF. If he decides to put the effort into it, it would >>be very unsurprising to me if he sat there again. > >I am rooting for christophe to achieve this goal Of course, now that he is a father, he may spend his time at more sensible pursuits. So we will see excellence as a function of his interest. If he thinks he can support his family well on chess programming, he may decide to do that.
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