Author: Evgeny Shaposhnikov
Date: 11:03:04 11/18/04
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On November 17, 2004 at 00:17:39, Mike Byrne wrote: > >Even if I gave you the "legal" arugument - It also my view that posts that >promote cheating are "abusive" in nature and thus violate point # 2 above. >Cheating is a form of abuse. Cheating is a form of abuse directed at (some) chess servers. It is not directed at chess or chessplayers in general, nor is it directed at CCC in particular. Here is the FIDE site admin point of view: "And other point - Chess as PC game - you are free to cheat and do it as professionally as you can (like everybody does in CS, WarCraft etc. online games) - this is the problem of game server developers, and not the problem of Chess as professional sport. " FIDE website admin http://forum.fide.com/viewtopic.php?t=247&highlight=cheat&sid=ca0652b5ca5686fd44f831ce3feb6ff7 Therefore I fail to see how posts promoting cheating are considered abusive, especially if they are made in a non-abusive manner. Another point, if a person that cheats on a game server does not wish to promote or encourage cheating, but wants to simply discuss the ethical and philosophical issues about cheating in a tolerant manner, how is that abuse then? If I only made a simple sentence like "I like to (C)heat on FICS, and I do it as often as I can" without providing any further promotional or instructional material, then I am simply making a statement that I adhere to computer cheating and find it amusing or even ethical, without promoting this activity or encouraging others to do likewise. How is that abusive then? As I said, you can think that Kazinski is unethical, and do tell him that, but that shouldn't affect your decisions as a moderator - it wouldn't be professional to say the least. One more thing - I notice in another thread ( http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?396531 ) some people are discussing how to cheat on ICC. Clearly these people are not cheaters and they only wish to acquire a better understanding of cheating in order to actively fight it. If a cheater made a few posts with the same content as those non-cheating people, it seems you would behave differently as a moderator - another fallacious argumentum ad hominem. See this thread http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?396374 and notice how this guy is calling me names - that is the real abuse, but you seem to have double standards regarding this issues. >Please - don't go down that "ethical cheating" >path - we heard that one before and it sank like a lead ballon. > You seem to have a pretty narrow view on this issue, focusing only on normative ethics, and a single system of it particularly. It would depend upon what we decide to base our normative ethics system. If, for example, we decided to base our normative ethics system upon the metaethical doctrine of ethical nihilism, and base our applied ethical system and etiquette on that (newly) formed normative ethics system, we'd end up concluding that cheating is not unethical - it's not ethical either, it is simply an activity that doesn't have an ethical quality of being "good" or "bad". Even then, we could not make a dogmatic assumption that it is generally accepted as being the case, end we would have to accept that (C)heating is viewed differently as either unethical or not having ethical value, depending upon which system we decide to use, which is a highly subjective matter - there is no one generally accepted or "right" system, and there is no way we could define one, as it is a recursive matter, since the notion of "right" itself is a subject of metaethical study. >If you disagree - feel free to run as Moderator. > What do you mean? You are offering me to be a moderator? >Regards, > >Michael
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