Author: milix
Date: 23:46:23 11/21/04
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On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: > >>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>> >>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>on subjective decisions. >>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>> >>>> Article 10.2b: >>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>> >>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>> >>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>> >>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >> >>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. > >No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking for quick-finish rules.
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