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Subject: Re: Is this legal?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:18:53 11/22/04

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On November 22, 2004 at 05:28:41, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:

>On November 22, 2004 at 05:23:57, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:
>
>>On November 21, 2004 at 23:48:34, Peter Darin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>IMO In the position black can mate and it is a mating material because of the
>>>White pawns which can obstruct the white king and white can be mated.
>>>
>>>If a game is Knight vs Knight or Bishops vs Bishops (with no pawns) it is a draw
>>>due to insufficient material.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>By that reasoning even KNvKN and KBvKB are not cases of insufficient mating
>>material. In both cases the one piece can obstruct it's king so that the
>>opponents piece can mate. Earlier in this thread we already saw an example of
>>KBvKB. KNvKN is similar of course. (hmm lets try some FEN of the top of my head,
>>forgive me when this diagram fails)
>> [D] kn6/2N5/1K6/8/8/8/8/8 - - 1 0
>
>retry:
>
>[D] kn6/2N5/1K6/8/8/8/8/8 b - - 0 1
>

If you replace the knights by bishops it is a draw by insufficiant material.
KB vs KB when the bishops have the same color is a draw.

Note that in KN vs KN it is impossible to get mate in more than 1 move when in
the relevant diagram it is possible to get even forced mate in 4 moves as I
showed.

Uri



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