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Subject: Re: Re KRPKBP

Author: Steve Coladonato

Date: 04:53:27 11/22/04

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On November 22, 2004 at 05:49:05, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:

>On November 21, 2004 at 19:49:42, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2004 at 15:45:51, GuyHaworth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Confirmed:  Marc has done KRPKBP and Eugene has done 19+ 3-3p EGTs but not this
>>>one.
>>>
>>>1-0 maxDTM = 166 wtm and 153 btm:  0-1 maxDTM = 103 wtm and 104 btm.
>>>
>>>g
>>Guy,
>>
>>I'm not familiar with tablebases and I don't understand your score.  I am
>>reading it this way: maxDTM = Max depth to mate
>>             wtm = white to move
>>             btm = black to move
>>What I don't understand is the 1-0 and 0-1 score.  Could you explain it for me?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Steve
>My guess:
>
>Because there is a difference between the white and black side, it makes a
>difference which side mates. The above score tells us that the biggest maxDTM is
>when the white (KRP) is to move and to win.
>    wtw btw
>wtm 166 103
>btm 153 104
>
>It seems logical that if black (KBP) is to win, then the mate should be shorter,
>because one may not give white a chance to take the pawn with the rook.
>Obviously this is easier when the pawn is closer to promotion.
>
>One puzzling thing left is that it makes a big difference for white to mate if
>black is to move or white is. One would expect only a difference of 1, not of
>13. It probably has something to do with going over into a different tablebase?
>
>Regards, Laurens

Laurens,

I thought the purpose of the tablebases was to provide "best" move evaluation of
a position.  In which case, only one side [either white or black but not either]
would win or it is a draw.  I suppose the starting position could enter into
which side will win and perhaps that is why the above shows statistics for
either side winning.

Steve



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