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Subject: This is Idiotic!

Author: Daniel Jackson

Date: 06:48:30 11/22/04

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On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote:

>On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
>>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call
>>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a
>>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend
>>>>>on subjective decisions.
>>>>> I was  an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an
>>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity
>>>>>to draw a flagged game:
>>>>>
>>>>> Article 10.2b:
>>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra
>>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible.
>>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has
>>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position
>>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient
>>>>>attempts to win by normal means.
>>>>>
>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson
>>>>
>>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd
>>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway.
>>>>
>>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material.
>>>
>>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses
>>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins.
>>
>>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a
>>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO.
>
>Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or
>not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking
>for quick-finish rules.

You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that
is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!!



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