Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 06:48:30 11/22/04
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On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote: >On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>>on subjective decisions. >>>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>>> >>>>> Article 10.2b: >>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>>> >>>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>>> >>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>>> >>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >>> >>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. >> >>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. > >Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or >not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking >for quick-finish rules. You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!!
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