Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 14:36:44 11/22/04
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On November 22, 2004 at 12:42:38, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 22, 2004 at 09:48:30, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>>>>on subjective decisions. >>>>>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Article 10.2b: >>>>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>>>>> >>>>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >>>>> >>>>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>>>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. >>>> >>>>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >>>>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. >>> >>>Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or >>>not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking >>>for quick-finish rules. >> >>You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that >>is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!! > >No >It is not. > >Show me the fide rule that say that it is a draw by insufficient material. > >It is usually a draw by agreement when players get this position in game with >increasement when without increasement it is also usually a draw by agreement. > >In the second case players will usually not try to win on time because they know >that the opponent can claim a draw but the reason to accept the draw is that the >opponent cannot win by normal means and not insufficient material. > >Uri It's insufficient other than a helpmate....this is so trival.
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