Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 14:43:05 11/22/04
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On November 22, 2004 at 17:15:06, chandler yergin wrote: >On November 22, 2004 at 09:48:30, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote: >> >>>On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>>>>on subjective decisions. >>>>>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Article 10.2b: >>>>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>>>>> >>>>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >>>>> >>>>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>>>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. >>>> >>>>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >>>>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. >>> >>>Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or >>>not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking >>>for quick-finish rules. >> >>You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that >>is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!! > >You can't 'Force' it, but your opponent CAN fall into it! >It happened in one of my games... against Tom Yantis from Midland, Texas. > >KNN vs K should be allowed to play under the 50 move Rule. >CY Your opponent must have been asleep. Some programs will annouce insufficient material. If I want to get into it the 50 move rule isn't perfect as there are positions which require more than 200 moves to win without any pawns to move and no captures are made. We could argue this till the end of time. I'd just call a draw long before my clock fell.
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