Author: chandler yergin
Date: 21:35:42 11/22/04
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On November 22, 2004 at 17:43:05, Daniel Jackson wrote: >On November 22, 2004 at 17:15:06, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On November 22, 2004 at 09:48:30, Daniel Jackson wrote: >> >>>On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote: >>> >>>>On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>>>>>on subjective decisions. >>>>>>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>>>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Article 10.2b: >>>>>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>>>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>>>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >>>>>> >>>>>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>>>>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. >>>>> >>>>>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >>>>>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. >>>> >>>>Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or >>>>not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking >>>>for quick-finish rules. >>> >>>You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that >>>is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!! >> >>You can't 'Force' it, but your opponent CAN fall into it! >>It happened in one of my games... against Tom Yantis from Midland, Texas. >> >>KNN vs K should be allowed to play under the 50 move Rule. >>CY > >Your opponent must have been asleep. It was a Blitz Game! He almost fell off his chair... when I Mated him. > Some programs will annouce insufficient >material. Then I say it's a Bug in the Program. > >If I want to get into it the 50 move rule isn't perfect as there are positions >which require more than 200 moves to win without any pawns to move and no >captures are made. That's WHY the 50 Move Rule! > >We could argue this till the end of time. I'd just call a draw long before my >clock fell. Of course... The chances of an Opponent falling into it, are like getting a Royal Flush in 5 Card Stud. I've had that happen though.. more than Once. (Good thing I wasn't Dealing. ;)
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