Author: Daniel Jackson
Date: 19:08:14 11/23/04
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On November 23, 2004 at 00:38:42, chandler yergin wrote: >On November 22, 2004 at 17:36:44, Daniel Jackson wrote: > >>On November 22, 2004 at 12:42:38, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 22, 2004 at 09:48:30, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>> >>>>On November 22, 2004 at 02:46:23, milix wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 19:10:31, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 06:22:21, George Tsavdaris wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 04:05:10, Daniel Jackson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 21, 2004 at 02:42:00, Dan Andersson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the flag is down it's the truth. But you can stop the clock before and call >>>>>>>>>for arbitration. Then the criterion 'win with normal means' is used. IMO a >>>>>>>>>hoplessly vague definition. There should be clear guidelines that do not depend >>>>>>>>>on subjective decisions. >>>>>>>>> I was an arbiter during the last years national championship. There will be an >>>>>>>>>addition to the quickplay finish rules from 1 July 2005. It adds the opportunity >>>>>>>>>to draw a flagged game: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Article 10.2b: >>>>>>>>> If the arbiter postpones his decision, the opponent may be awarded two extra >>>>>>>>>minutes and the game shall continue in the presence of an arbiter, if possible. >>>>>>>>>The arbiter shall declare the final result later in the game or after a flag has >>>>>>>>>fallen. He shall declare the game drawn if he agrees that the final position >>>>>>>>>cannot be won by normal means, or that the opponent was not making sufficient >>>>>>>>>attempts to win by normal means. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>MvH Dan Andersson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well if helpmates are the rule, I disagree. I wouldn't except that, but then I'd >>>>>>>>call the arbiter before this could happen anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMO it's Insufficient Material. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No it isn't. Since black can checkmate white it is not a draw and if white loses >>>>>>>on time this is the result of the game. Black wins. >>>>>> >>>>>>No Black can't, only White can help Black checkmate. It would be called a >>>>>>Helpmate, that is why it should be a draw, IMO. >>>>> >>>>>Chess is a game of helpmates! Or else all games will be draws. So helpmate or >>>>>not if a mate is possible no draw by rules can be claimed. And I'm not talking >>>>>for quick-finish rules. >>>> >>>>You are a patzer, you can't force a win with a single B or N or even 2 N's that >>>>is why it is called a draw by insufficient material!! >>> >>>No >>>It is not. >>> >>>Show me the fide rule that say that it is a draw by insufficient material. >>> >>>It is usually a draw by agreement when players get this position in game with >>>increasement when without increasement it is also usually a draw by agreement. >>> >>>In the second case players will usually not try to win on time because they know >>>that the opponent can claim a draw but the reason to accept the draw is that the >>>opponent cannot win by normal means and not insufficient material. >>> >>>Uri >> >>It's insufficient other than a helpmate....this is so trival. > >Mistakes are made! >BOTH PLayers must agree to a Draw. >THe TD can use his dicretion if one complains loud enough.. Yeah, well that is obvious....
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