Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 23:40:18 11/23/04
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On November 24, 2004 at 02:03:54, John Merlino wrote: >On November 24, 2004 at 01:25:02, Nolan Denson wrote: > >>Well it may not be a win for white but black being Tiger 2004 lost this game as >>black. >> >>[D]2R5/6k1/7p/5pp1/pq2p3/Q6P/5PPK/1r6 w - - 4 1 >> >>What really is the best move !!! > >CMX_SKR on a P4-2.4 needs 2:42 to see that Qg3 draws: > >Time Depth Score Positions Moves >0:00 1/4 -2.01 1838 1.Qxb4 Rxb4 2.Rc7+ Kf8 3.Ra7 Rb2 > 4.Rxa4 Rxf2 >0:00 1/4 -1.96 4819 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Rc8+ Kf7 3.Rc7+ Ke6 > 4.Rc6+ Kd5 5.Qxb4 Rxb4 6.Rxh6 >0:00 1/5 -1.98 13854 1.Rc7+ Kf6 2.Rc6+ Ke7 3.Qxb4+ Rxb4 > 4.Rxh6 a3 >0:00 1/6 -1.97 48539 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Qxb4 Rxb4 3.Ra7 Rb2 > 4.Rxa4 Rxf2 >0:00 2/7 -1.83 129456 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Qa2+ Rb3 3.Qc2 Qd4 > 4.Qc6 Qe5+ 5.g3 a3 >0:01 2/8 -1.76 358626 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Qa2+ Qb3 3.Qd2 Qd1 > 4.Qa2+ Rb3 5.Ra7 a3 6.Ra8+ Kf7 > 7.Rxa3 >0:06 2/9 -1.39 1386329 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Rc8+ Kf7 3.Qg3 f4 > 4.Qg4 Qe7 5.Qh5+ Kf6 6.Qxh6+ Ke5 > 7.Qc6 >0:16 3/10 -1.46 3545586 1.Rc7+ Kf6 2.Rc6+ Ke5 3.Qa2 Rb3 > 4.Rxh6 a3 5.Rg6 Qc3 6.Rxg5 Ke6 >0:58 3/11 -1.14 12616738 1.Rc7+ Kg8 2.Qg3 Rd1 3.Rc8+ Kf7 > 4.Qc7+ Qe7 5.Qc4+ Kg6 6.Rc7 Rd7 > 7.Rc6+ Kh7 8.Qb5 f4 9.Qxa4 >1:07 3/11 -0.68 14690259 1.Qg3 f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Qd7+ > Qe6 8.Qxa4 >1:20 3/12 -0.77 17531800 1.Qg3 f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Rc5+ > Kf6 8.Qh8+ Kf7 9.Rc8 >2:42 4/13 0.00 35290881 1.Qg3 f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Qe7 > Qe6 8.Qh7+ Qg6 > >>So what we really need to know whats the best move for Black in the position >>below. >> >>[D]2R5/6k1/7p/5pp1/pq2p3/6QP/5PPK/1r6 b - - 5 1 > >f4 is clearly the best move, but it still loses: > >Time Depth Score Positions Moves >0:00 1/4 -2.42 6210 1...f4 2.Qc3+ Qxc3 3.Rxc3 Rb2 4.Ra3 >0:00 1/5 -2.30 18398 1...f4 2.Qc3+ Qxc3 3.Rxc3 Rb2 4.Ra3 > Rxf2 5.Rxa4 >0:00 1/6 -2.12 59278 1...f4 2.Qg4 Qe7 3.Qf5 Rf1 4.Rc2 >0:00 2/7 -2.37 125126 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Rc6+ Ke5 4.Qg4 > Qe7 5.Qc8 h5 >0:00 2/8 -2.04 190354 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Rc6+ Ke5 4.Qg4 > Qe7 5.Rxh6 Rb2 6.Qd1 >0:01 2/9 -2.08 342335 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Rc6+ Ke5 4.Qg4 > Qe7 5.Rxh6 Rb2 6.Qd1 a3 >0:05 3/10 -0.90 1232047 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Qd7+ > Qe6 8.Qxa4 >0:09 3/11 -0.98 2320553 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Rc5+ > Kf6 8.Qh8+ Kf7 9.Qe5 >0:26 3/12 0.00 5852295 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Qe7 > Qe6 8.Qh7+ Qg6 >1:00 4/13 0.00 13640620 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > Rb6 5.Qh8+ Kf5 6.Qh7+ Qg6 7.Qe7 > Qe6 8.Qh7+ Qg6 >4:23 5/14 1.10 55358106 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > f3+ 5.g3 Rb2 6.Qh8+ Ke6 7.Qxh6+ > Kd5 8.Qxg5+ Ke6 9.Qg6+ Ke5 10.Qg7+ > Ke6 11.Qxb2 Qxc7 12.Qa2+ Kf5 13.Qxa4 >13:49 6/15 1.61 170989158 1...f4 2.Rc7+ Kf6 3.Qg4 Qd6 4.Qc8 > f3+ 5.g3 Rb2 6.Qh8+ Ke6 7.Qxh6+ > Kd5 8.Qxg5+ Ke6 9.Qg6+ Ke5 10.Qe8+ > Kd5 11.Rd7 Rxf2+ 12.Kg1 Rg2+ 13.Kf1 > Qxd7 14.Qxd7+ Ke5 > >jm Ruffian concurs. An interesting position. Black would be better off with the e5 pawn removed from the board when Black could draw very easily.
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