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Subject: Re: you doubt former World Champion Vasily Smyslov?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:41:49 11/28/04

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On November 28, 2004 at 09:30:32, chandler yergin wrote:

>On November 28, 2004 at 09:20:31, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On November 28, 2004 at 08:26:20, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>Please ,do some analysis and post your results.  (Suggestion - do not rely upon
>>one program.)
>
>What Program/Engine do you suggest?

I susggest to use almost every engine except shredder to prove that white can
mate after g8N+ Bxg8

Here is some analysis by comet and Crafty.
The main problem is to find the first move.
After g8N+ Bxg8 it is easy for engines with no special knowledge like shredder
to find the mate.



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[D]6b1/2B2p2/7k/4K3/3p2P1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Comet B50:

2.Kxd4
  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
2.Ke4 Kg5 3.Kxd4
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
2.Ke4 Kg5 3.Kxd4 Kxg4
  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
2.Bb8 f6+ 3.Kxd4 Kg5
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
2.Bb8 Kg5 3.Kxd4 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bd8+ f6 4.Be7 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
2.Ke4 Bh7+ 3.Kxd4 Kg5 4.Be5 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.42)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
2.Ke4 Bh7+ 3.Kxd4 Kg5 4.Bd8+ f6 5.Be7 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00  7kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Ke4 Kxg4 4.Be5
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00  7kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bg3 Bh7 4.Bf2 f6 5.Be3+ Kxg4
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 6/11   00:00:00  26kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Ke5 f6+ 4.Ke4 Kxg4 5.Bb6
  ³  (-0.55)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  87kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bd8+ Kxg4 4.Bf6 Bh7 5.Kd5 Bd3
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 7/13   00:00:00  92kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bd8+ Kxg4 4.Bf6 Bh7 5.Kd5 Bd3 6.Kd4
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  211kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Be5 d3 4.Bc3 Kh8 5.Kf5+ Kh7 6.Ke4
  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 8/15   00:00:00  401kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Be5 d3 4.Bc3 Kh8 5.Kf5+ Kh7 6.Kf6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8/15   00:00:00  410kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Be5 d3 4.Bc3 Kh8 5.Kf5+ Kh7 6.Kf6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:00  466kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Kg5 f6+
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:01  1015kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.Bd2 Kh7 5.Kf5 Kg7 6.Ke4 Bh7+ 7.Kxd4 Kf6
  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:02  1975kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.Bd2 Kh7 5.Kf5 Kg7 6.Ke4 Bh7+ 7.Kxd4 Kf6
  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:02  2068kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 d2 6.g6 Bh7 7.gxf7 d1Q 8.f8Q+ Bg8
  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:03  4072kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3
  ²  (0.56)   Depth: 12/21   00:00:04  4236kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 d2 6.g6 Bh7 7.gxf7 d1Q 8.f8Q+ Bg8
  ²  (0.69)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:07  6970kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 d2 6.g6 Bh7 7.gxf7 d1N 8.f8Q+ Bg8
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:07  7008kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Bb8 d2 6.Kf5 d1Q 7.g6
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:08  7236kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 d2 6.g6 Bh7 7.gxf7 d1Q 8.f8Q+ Bg8 9.Bb2 Kh7
  ±  (1.09)   Depth: 14/24   00:00:13  12303kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 Kh8 4.g5 d3 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Ke7 d2 7.Kd7 d1Q+ 8.Bd6
  ±  (1.09)   Depth: 14/24   00:00:14  12731kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 15/25   00:00:22  22185kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Kg5 d2 7.Bb4 d1Q 8.Ba5
  ±  (1.31)   Depth: 15/27   00:00:23  22936kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:37  40715kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
  +-  (1.71)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:37  40756kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
  +-  (1.98)   Depth: 16/28   00:00:37  40772kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
  +-  (2.37)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:37  40786kN
2.Kf6 Kh7 3.Bf4 d3 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
  +-  (2.88)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:37  40787kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
  +-  (4.39)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:37  40789kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
10.Qe8 Bc6 11.Qxc6 Kh6 12.Qd6
  +-  (6.90)   Depth: 16/32   00:00:37  40806kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
10.Qe8 d2 11.Qxe4+ Kh6 12.Bxd2+ Kh5 13.Qe5+ Kg4 14.Qf5+
  +-  (18.98)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:37  40827kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 Kh8 7.g6 Bh7 8.gxf7 Be4 9.f8Q+ Kh7
10.Qf7+ Kh6 11.Qg7+ Kh5 12.Qg5#
  +-  (#10)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:37  40833kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Bd4 Kh8
10.g6 Bh7 11.Kxf7#
  +-  (#9)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:43  46752kN

(, MyTown 28.11.2004)

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6b1/2B2p2/7k/4K3/3p2P1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 19.17:

2.Kxd4
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 f6
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Kxg4
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bd8+ Kxg4 4.Bf6
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 4/6   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Ke4 Kxg4 4.Be5
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:00
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Bd8+ Kxg4 4.Bf6 Bh7 5.Kd5
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 6/9   00:00:00  3kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Bh7 4.Ke3 Kxg4 5.Bf6
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:00  9kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Ke5 Bh7 4.Bd8+ Kxg4 5.Kf6 Bg6 6.Bc7
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 8/13   00:00:00  21kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Kxg4 4.Kc5 Bh7 5.Kd6 Be4 6.Ke7
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 9/15   00:00:00  62kN
2.Kxd4 Kg5 3.Be5 Kxg4 4.Bf6 Bh7 5.Ke3 Bf5 6.Be5 Kh3
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 10/17   00:00:00  120kN
2.Kf6
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 10/17   00:00:00  166kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Bd2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10/17   00:00:00  170kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Bd2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11/19   00:00:00  231kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Bd2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/20   00:00:00  413kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Bd2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:01  919kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.Bd2
  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 14/26   00:00:01  1631kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.g5 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Be5 Kh8
10.Kf5+ Kh7
  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 14/26   00:00:01  1831kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.g5 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Be5 Kh8
10.Kf5+ Kh7 11.Bf6
  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 15/26   00:00:02  3563kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.g5 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Be5 Kh8
10.Kf5+ Kh7 11.Bf6
  ±  (0.82)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:04  6739kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.g5 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Be5 Kh8
10.Kf5+ Kh7 11.Bf6
  +-  (1.82)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:04  6739kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.Bd2 Kh8 5.Bc3 Kh7 6.g5 d2 7.Bxd2 Kh8 8.Bc3 Kh7 9.Be5 Kh8
10.Kf5+ Kh7 11.Bf6
  +-  (3.82)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:04  6739kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 d2 7.Bxd2
  +-  (#10)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:04  7634kN
2.Kf6 d3 3.Bf4+ Kh7 4.g5 Kh8 5.Be5 Kh7 6.Bc3 d2 7.Bxd2
  +-  (#10)   Depth: 17/36   00:00:07  13872kN

(, MyTown 28.11.2004)


Uri



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