Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:01:26 12/06/04
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On December 06, 2004 at 06:59:58, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 06, 2004 at 06:52:33, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 06, 2004 at 00:33:31, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >> >>>Every so often when Zappa and Crafty play, they come up with some really >>>brilliant moves and tough positions. Somehow, when I watched this game I had an >>>intense image of two boxers who just refused to give up, no matter how bloodied >>>they were. You can judge for yourself. The opening was a French defense, with >>>Zappa defending. Zappa had a few tense moments, but it was able to get a very >>>solid position, despite the horrible French bishop. Zappa thought it was about >>>equal, while Crafty liked white to the tune of about +0.6. I guess the true >>>value is somewhere in between; Black should draw but I think White has all the >>>winning chances here. >>> >>>[D]2r1r1k1/3bq2p/p5pQ/Pp1pPp2/3P4/3B1R2/2P3PP/5RK1 b - - 0 24 >>> >>>So they shuffled, as computers are wont to do, and Crafty was finally so happy >>>with its position that it gave away the a5 pawn in order to prevent the draw. >>>At this point Crafty was about +0.4, while Zappa thought it was winning by 0.7 >>>or so. The shuffling continued, with Zappa trying to advance its passed a pawn >>>without letting Crafty checkmate it on the kingside. >>> >>>[D]2r4k/7p/p3b1p1/qp1pPp2/3P1R2/2rB2R1/2P3PP/4Q1K1 w - - 0 38 >>> >>>Here came the first problem. Zappa had counted on Kg8, but white has a draw in >>>that line. >>> >>>[D]2r5/6kp/4b1p1/1p1pPp2/pq1P3Q/2rB2R1/2P3PP/5RK1 b - - 0 45; bm Qf8; test >>>position 1 >>> >>>1... Kg7-g8 2. Rg3-h3 Rc3-c7 3. c2-c3 Qb4xc3 4. Bd3xb5 Qc3-b4 5. Bb5-a6 Rc8-b8 >>>6. Rf1-e1 a4-a3 >>> = (1.13) Depth: 11/33 00:00:08.83 4885kN (553 KN/s, 0 splits, 0 aborts) >>>1... Kg7-g8 2. Qh4-f6 Rc3-c6 3. Rg3xg6 h7xg6 4. Qf6xg6 Kg8-h8 5. Qg6-h6 Kh8-g8 >>>6. Qh6-g6 >>> = (0.00) Depth: 12/33 00:00:12.63 7287kN (577 KN/s, 0 splits, 0 aborts) >>>1... Qb4-f8 2. Rg3-h3 h7-h5 3. Rh3-g3 Kg7-h7 4. Bd3xb5 Rc3xg3 5. Qh4xg3 Qf8-b4 >>>6. Qg3-d3 a4-a3 7. Rf1-f3 >>> = (0.56) Depth: 12/34 00:00:28.62 17188kN (600 KN/s, 0 splits, 0 aborts) >>> >>>This let Crafty win the b5 pawn, and the shuffling continued. Zappa was able to >>>get its a pawn to a2, but it remained hampered by its horrible bishop. Finally, >>>just when Crafty thought it had equalized, Zappa struck: >>> >>>[D]8/r5k1/4b1p1/1q1pPp1p/3P4/2P3P1/p4K1P/R1QB4 b - - 0 68; bm f4! test position >>>2 >>> >>>1... f5-f4 2. g3xf4 Be6-f5 3. Bd1-c2 Bf5-g4 4. Kf2-g1 Qb5-e2 5. Bc2-b3 Bg4-e6 6. >>>f4-f5 g6xf5 7. Qc1-g5 Kg7-h7 >>> = (1.14) Depth: 13/36 00:00:38.98 29001kN (744 KN/s, 0 splits, 0 aborts) >>> >>>After some complicated tactics, Zappa emerged with a Rook versus Crafty's 3 >>>passed pawns. When I was just about to celebrate a pretty win, Zappa threw the >>>game away with Rf4??. This is a really hard position for Zappa, because after >>>Rf4 d5 it has a Rook and Bishop vs 2 connected passers, whereas after Bf5 it has >>>a Rook vs 3 connected passers :) Crafty gets it at 8 ply or so though. >>> >>>[D]8/7k/4Prp1/7p/2BP4/2P5/7P/1b4K1 b - - 0 82; bm Bf5!; test position 3 >>> >>>After Rf4 Crafty was able to force the draw, although Zappa didn't realize it >>>for another 10 moves. The final position: >> >> >>Not a good test position. >> >>It is possible to find Bf5 for the wrong reason. >>Movei also needs 8 plies to find it but needs depth 13 to find Crafty's d5(still >>without a draw score). >> >>Note also that I expect zappa to find Bf5 after more time simply because it wins >>material and from computer point of view it should not be. >> >>Movei after some time has fail high on Bf5 >> >>I am also not sure if d5 force a draw and movei does not agree with capturing >>the bishop after d5 and suggests the line d5 Bf5 d6 Re4 >> >>At this moment of posting I see another fail high for d5 so maybe not capturing >>the bishop also does not help. >>I am surprised that zappa fail here relative to movei because I expect movei to >>be weak in endgame considering the fact that it does not use hash for pruning. >> >>Uri > >It seems that the fail high was a wrong fail high. > >I also checked the position after Rxc4 and I find that movei can see a draw >score after a minute of search and even has a positive score of +0.08 for white >at depth 14. > >Maybe Crafty even missed a win but I will need more reliable program like yace >to check it. > >Note that the version of movei that I used of movei is the public version and >the cahnges that I did from it until now are only cosmetic changes like allowing >more personalities and no change in the evaluation. > >Uri I see after posting that the score at depth 15 is again negative score for white. Uri
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