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Subject: Strongest Crafty? 19.13 versus 19.17 - result: 43-13-44 (65-35)

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 12:52:24 12/06/04

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On December 05, 2004 at 21:12:07, Peter Berger wrote:

>On December 05, 2004 at 17:51:39, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On December 05, 2004 at 14:08:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 05, 2004 at 13:31:55, Thomas Gaksch wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2004 at 17:21:21, Wilhelm Hudetz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>what are your results with different Crafty versions?
>>>>>19.08SE give me at the moment the best results, so I run a small
>>>>>tourney to compare a little bit.
>>>>>All SE-versions run with SE=on and standard personality.
>>>>>
>>>>>AMD3200
>>>>>Arena-GUI
>>>>>64mb hash
>>>>>all using 8move.abk
>>>>>3,4,5man tb´s
>>>>>time 5+5
>>>>>
>>>>>    Motor               Punkte    Li   Cr   Cr   CM   Pa   Cr   Cr   Cr   Cr
>>>>>Cr    S-B
>>>>>01: List 5.12           24,0/36 ···· =011 =010 11=0 1001 1==1 1011 1110 =110
>>>>>1111  397,50
>>>>>02: Crafty 19.08 SE     24,0/36 =100 ···· ==== 01== ==== =111 =1=1 111= 1=1=
>>>>>11=1  389,75
>>>>>03: Crafty 19.12 SE     22,5/36 =101 ==== ···· =11= =010 ==01 10=1 1=01 111=
>>>>>==11  381,00
>>>>>04: CM8000 R1X          21,0/36 00=1 10== =00= ···· 1=== 001= =1== 1==1 =111
>>>>>111=  339,25
>>>>>05: Patriot 1.3.0       19,5/36 0110 ==== =101 0=== ···· =0=1 1=== =00= 1=11
>>>>>101=  339,50
>>>>>06: Crafty 17.14        17,5/36 0==0 =000 ==10 110= =1=0 ···· ==== 1=01 =111
>>>>>=0==  293,75
>>>>>07: Crafty Classic 2004 16,0/36 0100 =0=0 01=0 =0== 0=== ==== ···· 10=1 011=
>>>>>1=10  266,25
>>>>>08: Crafty 19.17 SE     13,0/36 0001 000= 0=10 0==0 =11= 0=10 01=0 ···· 0010
>>>>>0011  233,00
>>>>>09: Crafty 15.18        11,5/36 =001 0=0= 000= =000 0=00 =000 100= 1101 ····
>>>>>=101  190,75
>>>>>10: Crafty 11.23        11,0/36 0000 00=0 ==00 000= 010= =1== 0=01 1100 =010
>>>>>····  185,25
>>>>>
>>>>>180 Partien gespielt / Turnier beendet
>>>>>Name des Turniers: EngineMatch
>>>>>Ort/ Land: Vienna, Austria
>>>>>Level: Blitz 5/5
>>>>>Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2219 MHz mit 1.023 MB Speicher
>>>>>Betriebssystem: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
>>>>>PGN-Datei: E:\SCHACH\Arena\Tournaments\EngineMatch.pgn
>>>>>Webseite:
>>>>>E-Mail Adresse:
>>>>>
>>>>>regards
>>>>>Wilhelm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>it would be nice to read an comment from DR. Robert Hyatt or Mike Byrne about
>>>>the strongest version.
>>>>In my tests Crafty Classic 2004 is much stronger than Crafty 19.17. An the
>>>>strange thing is, that Crafty 19.17 seems to be weaker than the other "old"
>>>>Crafty Versions (19.13 and 19.08).
>>>>
>>>>regards
>>>>Thomas
>>>
>>>Nothing strange.
>>>
>>>I read that every tester found that 19.17 is weaker.
>>>The problem is that it seems that Hyatt did not test Crafty under winboard or
>>>under interfaces that other use it.
>>
>>
>>Even on ICC, 19.17 is definitely weaker against other computers.  It's average
>>blitz rating has dropped a good 150 points or more since shortly after WCCC04,
>>which was the advent of the 19.16/17 versions.
>>
>>After hearing other claims that 19.13 was stronger, I started a 100 game match
>>between 19.13 and 19.17 at 30 0.
>>
>>19.13 is demolishing 19.17 with the score currently at 41 24 after 65 games.
>>This right after 19.16 vs 19.17 was virtually even after 100 games.
>>
>>Something is seriously wrong with 19.17.
>>
>
>Given that this may be true IMO , you should go for 19.15. 19.15 is mostly
>bugfixes compaired to 19.13, some of them quite serious.
>
>In case I had to bet on a Crafty version, it would be 19.15 - this is also the
>very WCCC version btw.

This result was a complete blowout.  Now, 19.13 vs 19.15 is under way.



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