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Subject: Re: Does any Program Play Rd3? Fritz 7 Does NOT

Author: Joshua Lee

Date: 06:24:34 12/08/04

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On December 08, 2004 at 05:02:14, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 08, 2004 at 04:28:41, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 08, 2004 at 01:18:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>><snipped>
>>>To prove Rac8 is equal to Rd3 you must prove that after Rc8 you manage to
>>>advance with black. And i just don't see it happen that you can prove that.
>>>
>>>After Rac8 black can only shuffle and hope his extra pawn wins the game (which
>>>it undoubtfully will manage in a computerish way after 90 moves).
>>>
>>>After Rd3 you are home with a full point before first time control.
>>
>>How many moves do you need to convince top programs to show at least +2 for
>>black if you play Rd3 against them?
>>
>>Movei like Rac8 after some minutes of search
>>
>>depth=14 +0.84 a8c8 g3f2 f6g5 c1c2 g8h8 h2h4 g5f6 f1c1 f6e7 c2d2 a6a5 b4a5 c7a5
>>d2d8 c8d8
>>Nodes: 177716646 NPS: 536082
>>Time: 00:05:31.51
>>
>>I will try to see if it can see a bigger score for black after Rd3 Nd4
>>
>>score at depth 14 is only 0.55 pawns for black after these moves
>>
>>depth=14 +0.55 a8c8 d4c6 b7c6 c1c5 c7d8 b2b1 d3d2 f1c1 d8d3 g3e5 f6e5 c5e5 d3e2
>>c1g1 g8h8
>>Nodes: 71445489 NPS: 566084
>>Time: 00:02:06.21
>>
>>Uri
>
>Nothing convincing for black.
>
>depth=16 +0.64 a8c8 d4c6 b7c6 b2c2 c7d8 b3d5 d3d4 d5c6 d4c4 c2e2 c8c6 c1c4 b5c4
>f1d1 c6d6 d1c1 d6d3
>Nodes: 1004111540 NPS: 563825
>Time: 00:29:40.89




Smith,K - Byrne,D
r2r2k1/1bq2pp1/p1n1pb1p/1p2p3/1P2P3/PB3PB1/1Q2N1PP/2R2R1K b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

22...a6-a5!
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  134kN
22...a6-a5 23.Ne2-d4 Rd8xd4 24.Qb2xd4 e5xd4 25.Bg3xc7 a5xb4 26.a3xb4 Nc6xb4
27.Rf1-d1
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  303kN
22...Bf6-g5!
  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  348kN
22...Bf6-g5 23.Rc1-d1 Ra8-c8 24.Bg3-f2 a6-a5 25.b4xa5 Qc7xa5 26.Kh1-g1 Rd8-d2
27.Rd1xd2 Qa5xd2
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:01  688kN
22...Bf6-g5 23.f3-f4 e5xf4 24.Ne2xf4 Qc7-e7 25.Nf4-h5 f7-f6 26.Rc1-d1 a6-a5
27.Rd1xd8+ Ra8xd8 28.b4xa5 Nc6xa5 29.Bb3-c2
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:05  2288kN
22...a6-a5!
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:05  2666kN
22...a6-a5!
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:07  3324kN
22...a6-a5 23.Ne2-d4 Rd8xd4 24.Qb2xd4 e5xd4 25.Bg3xc7 a5xb4 26.a3xb4 Ra8-a3
27.Rc1-b1 Bf6-e7 28.Rf1-d1 Be7xb4
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:19  9265kN
22...Ra8-c8!
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 11/32   00:00:21  10582kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Rc1-c5 Qc7-e7 24.Kh1-g1 Bf6-g5 25.f3-f4 e5xf4 26.Bg3xf4 Qe7-f6
27.e4-e5 Qf6-g6 28.Bf4xg5 Qg6xg5 29.Qb2-c3
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:42  20994kN
22...a6-a5!
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:47  23449kN
22...a6-a5 23.Ne2-d4 Rd8xd4 24.Qb2xd4 e5xd4 25.Bg3xc7 a5xb4 26.a3xb4 Ra8-a3
27.Rc1-b1 d4-d3 28.Bc7-d6
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:52  26244kN
22...a6-a5 23.Ne2-d4 a5xb4 24.a3xb4 Qc7-d6 25.Nd4xc6 Bb7xc6 26.Bg3-f2 Bc6-e8
27.Bf2-c5 Qd6-d2 28.Qb2xd2 Rd8xd2 29.Rf1-d1 Ra8-d8
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:30  46011kN
22...Qc7-d6!
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 13/34   00:01:56  59335kN
22...Ra8-c8!
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 13/34   00:02:14  68956kN
22...Ra8-c8!
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 13/34   00:02:49  87085kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Bg3-f2 Bf6-e7 24.Rf1-d1 Rd8xd1+ 25.Rc1xd1 a6-a5 26.b4xa5 Nc6xa5
27.Kh1-g1 Be7-c5 28.Bb3-a2 Bc5xf2+ 29.Kg1xf2 Qc7-c5+
  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 14/37   00:09:16  287237kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Bg3-f2 Bf6-e7 24.Rf1-d1 Rd8xd1+ 25.Rc1xd1 a6-a5 26.b4xa5 Nc6xa5
27.Rd1-c1 Na5-c4 28.Bb3xc4 b5xc4 29.Rc1-b1 Rc8-b8
  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 15/37   00:13:03  409582kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Bg3-f2 Bf6-g5 24.Rc1-d1 Bg5-e7 25.Rd1xd8+ Rc8xd8 26.Rf1-c1 Rd8-d7
27.Kh1-g1 a6-a5 28.Ne2-c3
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 16/40   00:33:12  1053608kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Bg3-f2 Bf6-g5 24.Rc1-d1 Bg5-e7 25.Rd1-c1 a6-a5 26.Bf2-c5 Be7xc5
27.Rc1xc5 Qc7-e7 28.Bb3-d1 a5xb4
  µ  (-1.13)   Depth: 17/43   02:01:57  3957089kN
22...Ra8-c8 23.Bg3-f2 Bf6-g5 24.Rc1-c2 a6-a5 25.a3-a4 b5xa4 26.Bb3xe6 f7xe6
27.b4-b5 Qc7-e7 28.b5xc6 Rc8xc6
  µ  (-1.13)   Depth: 18/44   03:21:39  6575429kN


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