Author: Andreas Guettinger
Date: 13:05:47 12/10/04
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On December 10, 2004 at 15:36:49, enrico carrisco wrote: >On December 10, 2004 at 15:25:15, Andreas Guettinger wrote: > >>On December 10, 2004 at 14:36:32, enrico carrisco wrote: >> >>>On December 10, 2004 at 11:54:33, Martin Blume wrote: >>> >>>>On December 10, 2004 at 11:37:13, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>> >>>>>This is a copy of the email that I just sent Martin: >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>Hello Martin, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>So please grant me permission to host Arena and the situation can resolve >>>>>itself. We can then get back to what is important... Chess. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Hello Peter! >>>> >>>>It is too late now. The license agreements are quite clear of it. I am quoting >>>>myself from the copyright notes in the Arena distribution as well as from our >>>>Website: >>>> >>>>"You may distribute the content of the program package only in unmodified >>>>form. Especially, distribution of Arena GUI, SOS for Arena, Dragon, AnMon, >>>>Nejmet, Ruffian, Betsy, The Baron, Chispa, EL Chinito and for ELOstat on >>>>other webpages, newspaper, CDs, print and other media without the >>>>permission of authors Martin Blume, Rudolf Huber, Bruno LUCAS, >>>>Christian BARRETEAU, Jean-Christophe GABILLARD, Per-Ola Valfridsson, >>>>Landon W. Rabern, Richard Pijl, Federico Andrés Corigliano, >>>>Eugenio Castillo / Pascal Tang and Dr. Frank Schubert is not permitted." >>>> >>>>Regarding Arena that reads: >>>> >>>>"You may distribute the content of the program package only in unmodified >>>>form. Especially, distribution of Arena GUI [..] on >>>>other webpages [..] without the >>>>permission of author[..] Martin Blume [..] is not permitted." >>>> >>>>So you did not have the permission to offer my software Arena on your site, and >>>>you do not have the permission by me. So I am asking you to remove my software >>>>from your site. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>>Martin Blume >>> >>>If only the word "especially" had been "however", things would have been so much >>>clearer. Legal lingo or not, "especially" was not the best choice. >>>"Especially" is most commonly a supporting word for a previous statement -- but >>>here it is (obviously) used to mean "Above all" or "principally" (most >>>importantly.) >>> >>>Nevertheless, the license (however much needing a revision for clarity) does >>>indeed state that Mr. Skinner is in violation for making the software available >>>on his web-site. The argument that Mr. Skinner's distribution of Arena in this >>>manner is protected within the segment of the license agreement that allows >>>distribution to friends and comrades is only valid if only those individuals >>>have access to such a web-site. >>> >>>It's an open and shut case in my opinion. >>> >>>-elc. >> >>The question is why a software has copyrights with ideologies that contradict >>each other? >> >>For example, couldn't Peter make a note on his site: >>"For all my chess friends, if you are interested in Arena then please send a >>mail at the following adress and I return you a copy of Arena." >> >>Does the copyright prevent this? He would be sharing with his colleges. >> >>regards >>Andy > >No -- that would absolutely fall in the Gray area. Arena lawyers would then >have to define the socially and generally accepted definition of comrade or >colleague. > >Depending on Candian law, they may have an avenue in speculation of Mr. >Skinner's intent. In my opinion, it's pissing in the wind at that point. > >However, if you had to give your email address out to receive Arena in that >manner, it's becoming just the same as the Arena site itself -- which Mr. >Skinner has claimed to object by reason of privacy invasion. Pointless at best >(which, in my opinion, it already is.) > >-elc. From what I heard it's easier to see life on mars than download Arena from their site. I would do it like that, just to annoy the Arena guys. But I'm not interested in Arena. regards Andy
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