Author: Les Fernandez
Date: 23:36:30 12/10/04
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On December 11, 2004 at 01:03:01, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 11, 2004 at 00:30:11, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 11, 2004 at 00:15:54, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 11, 2004 at 00:01:13, Les Fernandez wrote: >>> >>>>On December 10, 2004 at 22:15:09, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 10, 2004 at 21:47:46, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 10, 2004 at 21:06:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 10, 2004 at 02:17:59, Les Fernandez wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 10, 2004 at 00:09:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On December 09, 2004 at 23:57:26, Les Fernandez wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On December 09, 2004 at 00:41:18, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Here are results for default movei for the first 11 positions in the seond set >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Note that movei was not designed to solve mates and I am sure it could do >>>>>>>>>>>clearly better than it in case that it was designed for that purpose. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>It gets a mate score in less than 62 seconds for everyone of them. >>>>>>>>>>>The big number is the number of nodes and I also gave translation of the score >>>>>>>>>>>to distance to mate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>11 9987 371 2214115 mate in 7 d8g8 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 5462 28819188 mate in 8 b5a4 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 6195 32582992 mate in 8 b4a4 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 5337 27793757 mate in 8 c4a4 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 5728 29850523 mate in 8 d4a4 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 6157 32404314 mate in 8 b3a4 >>>>>>>>>>>14 9985 5748 30085900 mate in 8 c2a4 >>>>>>>>>>>11 9987 548 2972896 mate in 7 e8e5 >>>>>>>>>>>9 9987 195 978781 mate in 7 e7e1 >>>>>>>>>>>6 9993 6 22984 mate in 4 e5a5 >>>>>>>>>>>9 9987 160 836546 mate in 7 e4e1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi Uri, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>First thanks for giving it a go. What hardware are you running them on and do >>>>>>>>>>you plan on running all of them? It is of interest to me to know the total time >>>>>>>>>>it took to solve the set, but understand that is is rather time consuming. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Talk to you soon, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Les >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I used A3000 >>>>>>>>>I will certainly not run all the positions manually. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I may do it automatically not based on fixed time but based on stopping when it >>>>>>>>>finds mate but I need first to finish some tool to analyze epd file. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Uri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi Uri, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I certainly can appreciate not doing it manually. Listen perhaps when you have >>>>>>>>time you can just look at the first 10 positions of the second set of positions >>>>>>>>since they were much more difficult. If you have trouble finding them I can >>>>>>>>always repost them. Thanks for your time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Les >>>>>>> >>>>>>>my results are for them and not for the easy positions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Uri >>>>>> >>>>>>I can add that I now test the easy positions automatically and it seems that >>>>>>part of them are not so easy. >>>>>> >>>>>>I expected based on Antony that movei on A1000 will solve all of them in a short >>>>>>time but it does not do it. >>>>>> >>>>>>I implemented function to analyze epd and not leave a position before mate >>>>>>unless very long time was used and I test it with this function. >>>>>> >>>>>>The fact that there are a lot of easy problems does not mean that all of them >>>>>>are easy and solving all the positions on p233 in less than a minute(not one of >>>>>>them) is clearly a good result. >>>>> >>>>>correction >>>>>I remembered wrong: >>>>> >>>>>Dann Corbit said: >>>>>"There is a utility that computes all the answers in under a minute on a Pentium >>>>>II, 166 MHz." >>>>> >>>>>There are not small number of cases when >>>>>Movei on A1000 needs some minutes to solve positions in the set that was defined >>>>>as the easy test. >>>>> >>>>>I see on the screen the following output that means that movei needed almost >>>>>1000 seconds to solve one of the position and more than 700 seconds to solve >>>>>another position(1000 seconds is the time limit that I gave movei to solve the >>>>>positions and with more than 1000 seconds it should not search even if it finds >>>>>no mate. >>>>> >>>>> 12 9983 98807 210114214 g4d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5 >>>>>e2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2 >>>>> >>>>> 12 9983 73247 155531978 h4d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5 >>>>>e2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2 >>>>> >>>>> 12 9983 14458 26428369 c3d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5 >>>>>2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2 >>>>> >>>>> 12 9983 14318 26932012 d3d4 a3e3 b8g3 f2g1 d4e3 g1h1 h3g2 h1g2 e3f2 g2h1 f8f5 e >>>>>2f1 f5h5 f1h3 h5h3 f3h2 h3h2 >>>>> >>>>>It seems that the positions are almost the same based on the pv and I suspect >>>>>that the relevant tool that Dan Corbit used simply does not clear it's hash >>>>>between positions. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>Hi Uri, >>>> >>>>I must say first thank you for trying to solve these positions. When you are >>>>done with however many you can I would also be interested in knowing how long >>>>each ONE took to solve if you keep the output of the analyses. Good work Uri. >>>> >>>>Les >>> >>>Movei is still busy in mirror positions >>> >>>It seems that there was one unsolved position in the easy test in 1000 seconds. >>>Unfortunately this version does not print the fen of the position in the screen >>>so I will have to use the pv to pick the relevant position >>> >>>I detect based on the pv: >>> >>>quuen at g5 >>>rook or queen at a6 >>>bishop or queen at b1 >>>king or queen(probably king) at f7 >>>bishop or king at h6 >>>knight at d7 >>>bishop or queen at e7 >>>rook king or queen at d8 >>>rook or queen at f1 >>>11 1139 33180 69023962 g5d5 a6e6 b1g6 f7g8 d5e6 g8h8 h6g5 d7f8 g5f6 e7f6 e6e8 d >>>8e8 g6e8 f6e7 f1f5 b4c3 b2c3 >>> >>>now it seems that it has the mirror position under analyze and also has problems >>>to finish depth 11. >>> >>>Uri >> >>The mirror position was solved but it seems that every position appear 4 times >>because except mirrors the d-e mirroring there is the white-black mirroring. >> >>Movei is already running for almost 3 hours on these positions. >>I do other things like posting at the same time but they do not cause big slow >>down. >> >> 11 1139 22151 47686072 b5e5 h6d6 g1b6 c7b8 e5d6 b8a8 a6b5 e7c8 b5c6 d7c6 d6d8 e >>8d8 b6d8 c6d7 c1c5 g4f3 g2f3 >> 11 1139 88188 189632493 b5e5 h6d6 g1b6 c7b8 e5d6 b8a8 a6b5 e7c8 b5c6 d7c6 d6d8 >>e8d8 b6d8 c6d7 c1c5 g4f3 g2f3 >>12 1169 89243 191639687 b5e5 >>12 1239 89281 191700782 b5e5 >> 12 9983 90015 193452849 b5e5 h6d6 g1b6 c7b8 e5d6 b8a8 a6b7 a8b7 d6c7 b7a8 c1c4 >>d7c8 c4a4 c8a6 a4a6 c6a7 a6a7 >> >>Uri > >I decided to stop when movei still did not analayze the following positions. > >The first position is example to position that is not easy. > >I guess it needed total time near 6 hours to solve all of the positions. > >3rq3/2kbn3/Bpn4r/Q3p2p/4P1p1/1N3P2/PP4PP/1KR3B1 w - - >4r1b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/1bqp1Q1P/P1P1P3/4RRB1/K1B5 b - - >4r1b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1P1P3/3bRRB1/K1B5 b - - >4r1b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1P1P3/4RRB1/K1B1b3 b - - >4r1b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1b1P3/4RRB1/1KB5 b - - >4r1b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/b4pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1P1P3/4RRB1/K1B5 b - - >5b1k/1brr4/3p1p1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP4B/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B1R4 w - - >5b1k/1brr4/3p1p1p/p1q1PQB1/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B1R4 w - - >5b1k/1brrB3/3p1p1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B1R4 w - - >5bk1/1brr4/3p1B1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B1R4 w - - >5bk1/1brr4/3p1B1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B2R3 w - - >5bk1/1brr4/3p1B1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B3R2 w - - >5bk1/1brr4/3p1B1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1B5R w - - >5bk1/1brr4/3p1B1p/p1q1PQ2/1pP5/1P3N1P/P4P1K/1BR5 w - - >5rb1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1b1P3/4RRB1/1KB5 b - - >8/1p1n4/1P2p3/2B1P3/3P1r1p/3K3n/qPP1P2P/3k2b1 b - - >8/1p6/1P2p3/2B1P3/3P1r1p/1n1K3n/qPP1P2P/3k2b1 b - - >8/1p6/1P2p3/2B1P3/3Pnr1p/3K3n/qPP1P2P/3k2b1 b - - >8/1p6/1P2p3/2B1P3/n2P1r1p/3K3n/qPP1P2P/3k2b1 b - - >8/1p6/nP2p3/2B1P3/3P1r1p/3K3n/qPP1P2P/3k2b1 b - - >8/4n1p1/3p2P1/3P1B2/p1r1P3/n3K3/P2P1PPq/1b2k3 b - - >8/6p1/3p2P1/3P1B2/p1r1P2n/n3K3/P2P1PPq/1b2k3 b - - >8/6p1/3p2P1/3P1B2/p1r1P3/n3K1n1/P2P1PPq/1b2k3 b - - >8/6p1/3p2P1/3P1B2/p1rnP3/n3K3/P2P1PPq/1b2k3 b - - >8/6p1/3p2Pn/3P1B2/p1r1P3/n3K3/P2P1PPq/1b2k3 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN2qP/8/1b3r2 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN3P/4q3/1b3r2 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN3P/5q2/1b3r2 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN3P/6q1/1b3r2 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN3P/8/1b1q1r2 b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRN3P/8/1b3r1q b - - >BBn4b/5p2/8/rN3K1k/2P1RP2/QnRNq2P/8/1b3r2 b - - >Q1R3B1/8/p3nrNq/2pr1p2/K1k3nR/8/2P5/B4Nbb w - - >Q2qr3/3nbk2/r4npB/p2p4/1p1P4/2P3N1/PP4PP/1B3RK1 w - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P2qNRnQ/8/2r3b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P3NRnQ/1q6/2r3b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P3NRnQ/2q5/2r3b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P3NRnQ/3q4/2r3b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P3NRnQ/8/2r1q1b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/P3NRnQ/8/q1r3b1 b - - >b4nBB/2p5/8/k1K3Nr/2PR1P2/Pq2NRnQ/8/2r3b1 b - - >k1b1B3/4rrb1/p1p1p3/2QP1q1p/5Pp1/P1N3P1/K1P4P/4R1B1 w - - >k1b5/3Brrb1/p1p1p3/2QP1q1p/5Pp1/P1N3P1/K1P4P/4R1B1 w - - >k1b5/4rrb1/p1p1p3/1BQP1q1p/5Pp1/P1N3P1/K1P4P/4R1B1 w - - >k1b5/4rrb1/p1p1p3/2QP1q1p/B4Pp1/P1N3P1/K1P4P/4R1B1 w - - >r5b1/k1p4p/p1n3p1/5pP1/2qp1Q1P/P1b1P3/4RRB1/1KB5 b - -
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