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Subject: Re: Genius3(!)-vs-MChessPro7 result; surprise?!

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 07:57:20 01/19/99

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On January 19, 1999 at 10:36:39, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>>>>>>>Next match will be Genius3-MCP8 to compare MCP8 a bit with MCP7.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note, that Genius is "Angstgegner" to Mchess! In SSDF play M8 - G5
>>>>>result was 15,5 - 24,5, even if M8 is rated higher.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I have seen it too with a smile in my face. :-)
>>>>However, what can we say if MCP8 wins? :-)
>>>>MCP8 is stronger than MCP7 or Genius3 is weaker than Genius5? ;-)
>>>
>>>I don't think you can say anything regarding strength after only one match.
>>
>>For it contains 40 games one can say a bit.
>>Of course for statistical relevance we need >500 games but none of us will do
>>that.
>
>I was not only referring to the number of games, but to the fact that some
>programs are "customers" of others. Program A can intensly dislike program B,
>without this meaning that B is stronger than A. I think it’s important to make
>them play as many different opponents as feasible.

Yu are right but my time is limited. If I had 10 PCs I'd do such tests but I
haven't. And from time to time I have other things to do then to let my both
computers play each other. ;-)

>>And I also know of Genius being "Angstgegner" for MCP. But I repeat, I only
>>wanted to see if old predecessors are able to compete with actual programs. In
>>case of Genius3 I would certainly say YES very clearly.
>
>I am very interested in this too. Genius 3( or 4/5/6, quite the same)is, I
>think, quite a bit weaker than Junior 5, Hiarcs 7 and Tiger, for example.

IF weaker then I'd say not more than 20pts. As I already wrote, the top10
programs are equal strong, maybe Junior5 and Hiarcs7 another bit above. They
only differ in style.

>>>In my opinion, there is no difference of strength between the engines in
>>>G3/4/5/6. Instead, I think M8 is stronger than M6/7 and Genius.
>>>Enrique
>>
>>Me too, but that is only a feeling, nothing based on facts so far. But I hope to
>>see it soon although it is hard for me to recognize strength improvement at that
>>level...
>
>It is getting very difficult...

At least for us patzes who can almost only run testsuites...

I am looing forward to that Genius3-MCP8 match, I am really curious. :-)



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