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Subject: Re: Proposal for CCT7 - Dates/Rules/Time controls.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:44:58 12/12/04

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On December 12, 2004 at 12:06:31, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On December 12, 2004 at 08:25:24, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>I'm sure you'll do a fine job if you can stay objective and let the program do >the pairings.
>
>How else would I do the pairings? I will have enough to do on "game day" during
>the tournament than to pair manaully just to try to screw someone over.
>
>Of course I plan on being objective.
>
>>Note that i have more TD experiences than you might guess, but i'm not having
>>ambitions to lead a tournament at icc; i'm involved in enough events already >anda problem of being TD is that you are supposed to show up, which will be >rather hard for me this time if the tournament is a few days before or during >IPCCC2005 tournament where i will be physical present :)
>
>And I 100% sure you have more TD experience. I won't even try to dispute that :)
>>
>>The real problem of the TD will be having a seeding that is realistic, where
>>programs which recently do well are seeded high.
>
>Well I think the only fair way of doing the seeding based on I have no real
>ranking list which to go by is to do the following:
>
>1. A program's results in the last 3 CCT's will be averaged and seeded
>accordingly.
>
>2. In the event that two programs average out to the same seeding, the program
>that has participated the longest in the CCT series will earn the spot.
>
>3. In the event that both programs have been entered since CCT1, their placing
>in CCT1 will determine the spot for CCT7.
>
>That is the best, and fairest way of doing it. It also may not be the most
>accurate. If you have a better suggestion, I am more than willing to hear it.
>
>Peter


Here's another way to do this.  It worked for years at the many ACM events.
Pick a small group of people you respect.  Ask them "sort this list of programs
into order, 1-N.  Please be as accurate as you can.  If you do not know anything
about a program, please do not order it, but rather say "no idea" for that
entry."

You can take the above lists, and compute average rankings for each, and get a
pretty decent seeding.  New or unknown programs might be seeded too low since
there will be little information about them, but that happens...

Main thing to do is just do the tournament, and don't worry about the
naysayers...



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