Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:10:31 01/19/99
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On January 19, 1999 at 00:54:03, blass uri wrote: > >On January 18, 1999 at 18:56:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 18, 1999 at 07:15:07, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>Sorry, but I haven't it here in our office. I take it tomorrow with me, if >>>nobody posts it before. >> >> >>Just a comment as I have said this before. At present, based on a _lot_ of >>games vs other programs on ICC, I believe that Junior 5 is probably the most >>dangerous program around. At least when playing computers. I haven't watched >>it against humans very much. But against computers, including mine, it is >>_very_ strong... > >I do not follow ICC. > >1)What are the results which you are based on? >2)Do you play against Junior5 or against Amir Ban's latest version? > >Uri Both. "ban" is (I assume) the latest version they want to test. Lonnie (and others) use junior 5 all the time. I am not doing badly against Junior at all, but when you factor in that my machine is around 4x faster than the hardware either is using. Which gives me a _really_ serious speed advantage (IE I am averaging about 700K-800K nodes per second on this machine most of the time.) Of all the programs I play (Lonnie seems to have 'em all) Junior 5 and 'ban' seem to be the strongest by a significant margin. IE against ban, just for the month of January (about 1/2 over) crafty has won 22, lost 11, drawn 18. I'd hope that my effective speedup of 2x-3x would produce a larger win/lose ratio than that. But it doesn't. Now if you believe, as I do, that faster hardware always improves a program, then the above is explainable and I would conclude that maybe Junior is stronger, _if_ it has equal hardware. If you believe (as some do) that we have reached 'tactical sufficiency' and faster hardware isn't important, then this result means something else entirely. I'm in the former camp, which I believe to be correct here. I can give other results if you are interested. Lonnie is too unpredictable nowadays, as last night he started a game with Zarkov, switched to wchess 2000, then to genius 6, all in the _same_ game. Who gets credit for winning or losing that mess? :) The most steady opponents are genius (6 now, 5 until recently), zarkov (run by John or Max) ea6pz (was rebel, now running genius 6), wchessx run by Dave or Max, and Ferret although Bruce has been taking time off for a month or so to rest and recuperate (this is not an 'easy' hobby if you really are serious about it.) :) But if you have a program you'd like results for against mine, let me know. I'm not embarassed to lose games and report 'em. Just remember my sledgehammer machine that will absolutely lay waste to a pentium 233 or 300 without giving it a moment's thought. :) _big_ hammers _can_ be useful. :) I got a big 'un at present...
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