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Subject: Re: Junior 5

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:06:12 01/19/99

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On January 19, 1999 at 19:13:24, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On January 19, 1999 at 16:10:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>Both.  "ban" is (I assume) the latest version they want to test.  Lonnie (and
>>others) use junior 5 all the time.  I am not doing badly against Junior at all,
>>but when you factor in that my machine is around 4x faster than the hardware
>>either is using.  Which gives me a _really_ serious speed advantage (IE I am
>>averaging about 700K-800K nodes per second on this machine most of the time.)
>>
>>Of all the programs I play (Lonnie seems to have 'em all) Junior 5 and 'ban'
>>seem to be the strongest by a significant margin.  IE against ban, just for
>>the month of January (about 1/2 over) crafty has won 22, lost 11, drawn 18.
>
>At 700-800K N/s, on your machine Crafty runs 4 times faster than on my PII-400s
>(typically 180-200K N/s). This +11 after 41 games, or nearly 100 Elo points, is
>almost the expected increase in performance on a 4x machine. But at what time
>control were these games played? Junior 5 is not a blitz specialist, or so I
>thought when in my games it lost to Hiarcs 7 by 9-25 at game/5 on PII-400s.
>
>Enrique

a dukes mixture of blitz and longer games...  no 40/2 games however.  But
based on what I have seen I think junior is probably a killer at blitz...


>
>>I'd hope that my effective speedup of 2x-3x would produce a larger win/lose
>>ratio than that.  But it doesn't.  Now if you believe, as I do, that faster
>>hardware always improves a program, then the above is explainable and I would
>>conclude that maybe Junior is stronger, _if_ it has equal hardware.  If you
>>believe (as some do) that we have reached 'tactical sufficiency' and faster
>>hardware isn't important, then this result means something else entirely.  I'm
>>in the former camp, which I believe to be correct here.
>>
>>I can give other results if you are interested.  Lonnie is too unpredictable
>>nowadays, as last night he started a game with Zarkov, switched to wchess 2000,
>>then to genius 6, all in the _same_ game.  Who gets credit for winning or losing
>>that mess?  :)
>>
>>The most steady opponents are genius (6 now, 5 until recently), zarkov (run
>>by John or Max) ea6pz (was rebel, now running genius 6), wchessx run by Dave
>>or Max, and Ferret although Bruce has been taking time off for a month or so
>>to rest and recuperate (this is not an 'easy' hobby if you really are serious
>>about it.)  :)
>>
>>But if you have a program you'd like results for against mine, let me know.  I'm
>>not embarassed to lose games and report 'em.  Just remember my sledgehammer
>>machine that will absolutely lay waste to a pentium 233 or 300 without giving it
>>a moment's thought.  :)  _big_ hammers _can_ be useful.  :)  I got a big 'un at
>>present...



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