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Subject: Re: Test Position: Shredder 8 Blunder?

Author: paul bedrey

Date: 12:46:26 12/16/04

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On December 16, 2004 at 14:19:01, John Merlino wrote:

>On December 16, 2004 at 13:50:26, paul bedrey wrote:
>
>>Looking through a game between Shredder 8 and Junior 9 posted by Thomas Logan I
>>came upon this critical point in the game:
>>
>>[D]5rk1/6q1/4r2p/1BPp1R2/P2Pn3/3Q2p1/4R1P1/6K1 w - - 0 43
>>
>>The game was roughly even up to move 43.
>>Shredder 8 took the pawn at D5 and lost the game! How many other programs fall
>>for this? Gambit Tiger immediately recognizes the mistake.
>
>CM9_SKR on a P4-2.4 needs 0:42 to see that Rxd5 is bad:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/5	1.36	21345		43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.a5 Rf6 45.a6 Qf7
>					46.Rxe4 dxe4 47.Qxg3
>0:00	1/5	1.38	32163		43.Rxd5 Qf7 44.Rc2 Nxc5 45.Qxg3+
>					Rg6 46.Qxg6+ Qxg6 47.Rdxc5
>0:00	1/6	1.60	77356		43.Rxd5 Qf7 44.Rc2 Kh8 45.a5 Qf4
>					46.Rd7
>0:01	1/7	1.25	272846		43.Rxd5 Qf7 44.Rc2 Qf4 45.Qf3 Nd2
>					46.Rxd2 Qxd2 47.Qxg3+ Kh8
>0:02	1/7	1.29	383923		43.Rxf8+ Qxf8 44.Bd7 Re7 45.c6
>					Qf4 46.Qf3 Qc1+ 47.Qf1
>0:04	1/8	1.24	796172		43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.Re1 Rf6 45.a5
>					Qc7 46.a6 Qf4 47.Qf3 Qxf3 48.gxf3
>					Rxf3
>0:13	2/9	0.94	2678196		43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.Re3 Ke7 45.c6
>					Kd8 46.Rf3 Rf6 47.Qe3 Rxf3 48.gxf3
>0:19	2/9	1.00	3784746		43.Rxd5 Qg4 44.Bc4 Qh4 45.Rh5 Qxh5
>					46.Bxe6+ Kh8 47.Bh3 Nf2 48.Qe3
>					Nxh3+ 49.gxh3 Qxh3 50.Qe5+ Kg8
>0:36	2/10	-0.65	7450836		43.Rxd5 Qf7 44.Rc2 Qf4 45.Bd7 Ref6
>					46.Rf5 Rxf5 47.Bxf5 Rxf5 48.a5
>					Nc3 49.a6
>0:42	2/10	1.03	8671485		43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.Re3 Ke7 45.c6
>					Kd8 46.Rf3 Kc7 47.Qe3 Rf6 48.Rxf6
>					Qxf6
>0:57	2/11	1.02	11658496	43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.Re3 Ke7 45.c6
>					Kd8 46.Rf3 h5 47.Rf5 Nd6 48.Rf1 Rf6
>2:15	3/12	0.63	27768611	43.Rxf8+ Kxf8 44.Qe3 Kg8 45.c6
>					Qf7 46.Qf3 Rf6 47.Qg4+ Kf8 48.Rb2
>					Rf2 49.Qc8+ Kg7 50.Be2 Ng5
>
>jm

Looks like the King SKR switchs back at 19 sec and finally goes for the correct
answer at 42 sec.

I don't have Shredder 8 but I do have 7.04 and it flip flops from Rxf8 back to
Rxd5 and holds it for 6 minutes before realizing its bad. I've tried it with
other engines and it does not look like its that tough to solve.



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