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Subject: Re: 64 bit --and chess of course

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 00:36:51 12/17/04

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On December 17, 2004 at 02:37:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote:

>On December 16, 2004 at 23:20:34, Paul Byrne wrote:
>
>>On December 16, 2004 at 22:23:49, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On December 16, 2004 at 20:56:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 18:25:42, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 17:31:10, Scott Gasch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 14:46:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 03:37:46, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 15, 2004 at 22:24:49, Alex  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course it would be foolish to buy a New computer now......  Micrsoft is going
>>>>>>>>>to present a 64 bit OS nest year, the Christmas prices of new computers will
>>>>>>>>>drop like a BRICK by Jan 1..........  But ! Let us speculate.... Hmmmmmmmmmm
>>>>>>>>>What will 64 bit DO for chesss programs ....Yes yes I KNOW AMD has New processor
>>>>>>>>>that does 64 bit..... but what is the difference ..reallY?  D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can expect programs to get 10-60% faster from 64 bit mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is in addition to the Athlon64 already being so fast in 32 bit mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another potential advantage is the large address space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With terabytes of ram directly addressable, potentially totally new solution
>>>>>>>ideas may be formulated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For instance, you could memory map the 3-4-5 man tablebase files and lose the
>>>>>>>disk access penalty.  That might make them give a large Elo boost, while the
>>>>>>>disk access method for 32 bit systems seems to be about break even.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You could have 20 GB hash tables.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You could store (in ram) a large tree of every chess game ever played together
>>>>>>>with statistical information on each node.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...of course this all assumes you have a machine with 20Gb of physical memory
>>>>>>and a chipset that supports that much RAM.  Until the cost of memory comes way
>>>>>>down, you won't see me mapping EGTB files (compressed or not) into memory. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd suggest 2 pen drive USB like this :
>>>>>http://www.supermediastore.com/pendrive-4gb-flash-drive.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, no that cheap, but all 3-4-5 egtb way faster than disk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"faster than disk"?  What kind of disk do you use for your egtb's?  Floppy or
>>>>CDRom?  :)  The think you gave a link to is horribly slow compared to anything
>>>>except for CD/floppy drives...
>>>
>>>480Mbps seems pretty fast to me.
>>>What kind of disks are you using?
>>>;-)
>>
>>They lie.  :)  I think 480 Mpbs is the limit for usb 2.0; nothing to do with
>>the actual speed... they mention 7 Mbps on that page.  Maybe 3 ms to read a
>>tablebase block?  I looked a while back with a similar idea, the latency
>>of those things was a millisecond or two also.  So it *might* be a little faster
>>than a hard drive, but if it is, it won't be by a huge amount...
>>-paul
>
>
>read: 7000KByte/s
>and access time is very low compare to disk !

and if you want better performance than USB go for ATA :
http://www.memtech.com/35inch.html



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