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Subject: Re: 64 bit --and chess of course

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 07:02:37 12/17/04

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On December 17, 2004 at 04:39:41, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On December 17, 2004 at 03:36:51, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On December 17, 2004 at 02:37:32, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>
>>>On December 16, 2004 at 23:20:34, Paul Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 22:23:49, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 20:56:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 18:25:42, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 17:31:10, Scott Gasch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 14:46:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 03:37:46, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On December 15, 2004 at 22:24:49, Alex  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Of course it would be foolish to buy a New computer now......  Micrsoft is going
>>>>>>>>>>>to present a 64 bit OS nest year, the Christmas prices of new computers will
>>>>>>>>>>>drop like a BRICK by Jan 1..........  But ! Let us speculate.... Hmmmmmmmmmm
>>>>>>>>>>>What will 64 bit DO for chesss programs ....Yes yes I KNOW AMD has New processor
>>>>>>>>>>>that does 64 bit..... but what is the difference ..reallY?  D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can expect programs to get 10-60% faster from 64 bit mode.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is in addition to the Athlon64 already being so fast in 32 bit mode.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Another potential advantage is the large address space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>With terabytes of ram directly addressable, potentially totally new solution
>>>>>>>>>ideas may be formulated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For instance, you could memory map the 3-4-5 man tablebase files and lose the
>>>>>>>>>disk access penalty.  That might make them give a large Elo boost, while the
>>>>>>>>>disk access method for 32 bit systems seems to be about break even.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You could have 20 GB hash tables.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You could store (in ram) a large tree of every chess game ever played together
>>>>>>>>>with statistical information on each node.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>...of course this all assumes you have a machine with 20Gb of physical memory
>>>>>>>>and a chipset that supports that much RAM.  Until the cost of memory comes way
>>>>>>>>down, you won't see me mapping EGTB files (compressed or not) into memory. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'd suggest 2 pen drive USB like this :
>>>>>>>http://www.supermediastore.com/pendrive-4gb-flash-drive.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, no that cheap, but all 3-4-5 egtb way faster than disk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"faster than disk"?  What kind of disk do you use for your egtb's?  Floppy or
>>>>>>CDRom?  :)  The think you gave a link to is horribly slow compared to anything
>>>>>>except for CD/floppy drives...
>>>>>
>>>>>480Mbps seems pretty fast to me.
>>>>>What kind of disks are you using?
>>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>They lie.  :)  I think 480 Mpbs is the limit for usb 2.0; nothing to do with
>>>>the actual speed... they mention 7 Mbps on that page.  Maybe 3 ms to read a
>>>>tablebase block?  I looked a while back with a similar idea, the latency
>>>>of those things was a millisecond or two also.  So it *might* be a little faster
>>>>than a hard drive, but if it is, it won't be by a huge amount...
>>>>-paul
>>>
>>>
>>>read: 7000KByte/s
>>>and access time is very low compare to disk !
>>
>>and if you want better performance than USB go for ATA :
>>http://www.memtech.com/35inch.html
>
>While 26 MB/sec read throughput sounds fairly impressive:
>
>2 to 60 Gbyte capacity
>16 Gbytes under 16mm
>Full -40°C to +85°C industrial temperature
>Low-profile 3.5" drive form-factor
>Unitized 40 pin IDE and 4-pin power shrouded header
>96-bit ECC for exceptional data reliability
>5-volt, low power operation
>2000G operating shock
>20G operating vibration
>16 Mbyte Cache
>26 Mbyte/sec Read throughput
>20 Mbytes/sec Write throughput
>10 year data integrity
>
>
> The AT3550 Wolverine solid-state flash drive is a UDMA-66 compliant IDE memory
>module offered in an extremely low profile 3.5 inch drive form-factor. The
>primary storage media within the drive is sector erasable NAND EEPROMs (Flash
>Memory). Using these devices, Memtech is able to deliver up to 60 Gbytes of
>uncompressed, nonvolatile solid state storage in an extremely small, rugged
>form-factor. The access time for the drive is under 0.1 milliseconds, which
>permits thousands of transactions to occur per second. Sporting a UDMA-66
>compliant interface with a 66 Mbyte/sec burst data rate, cached read data rates
>are 26 Mbytes/second, with cached writes going at 20 Mbytes/second. An
>integrated holdup circuit guarantees data integrity under brownout or power-fail
>conditions.
>
>It's nearly 3-4 times slower than 15K U320 SCSI:
>http://www.storagereview.com/php/benchmark/compare_rtg_2001.php?typeID=10&testbedID=3&osID=4&raidconfigID=1&numDrives=1&devID_0=279&devID_1=277&devID_2=272&devID_3=273&devCnt=4

It's nearly 55 times faster than 15K U320 SCSI:

5.5 ms to 0.1 ms access time

>
>Between 97.4 MB/sec and 74.4 MB/sec for Maxtor Atlas 15K II (147 GB Ultra320
>SCSI), depending on the platter position during the write.




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