Author: Olivier Deville
Date: 01:54:00 12/19/04
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On December 19, 2004 at 04:14:13, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On December 18, 2004 at 23:46:26, Olivier Deville wrote: > >>On December 18, 2004 at 18:53:47, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On December 18, 2004 at 18:31:04, Günther Simon wrote: >>> >>>Hi Günther, >>> >>>>I don't understand how your message refers to my Arena bug report? >>>>May be you did not understand my message? >>>>I explain it again for you: Some engines simply lose on time because >>>>they have bugs and it has nothing to do with the GUI, you must live with >>>>this fact and deleting their games is wrong! >>>>Actually I was talking about exactly the opposite bug in Arena. >>>>There are engines which _must_ lose on time because they have a bug >>>>at certain time controls, but with the help of a bug _in_ Arena >>>>they don't, thus Arena hides the problem and makes it even worse. >>>>(details in my previous post - BTW it's easy to reproduce...) >>>> >>>>Guenther >>> >>>OK, if you send me the information I will look too. >>>You can used the support form on the older webpage or my mail or you can add it >>>in our Arena Support Forum on the new webpage. >>> >>>Thanks for your efforts! >>> >>>But let me say the following: >>>After 30.000 games here I saw perhaps 20 games "loosed on time" without to see >>>the reason. Of course I try not all of the 250 available engines but around 70. >>> >>>So I speak from 0,06% because the other mistakes I saw are mistakes from the >>>engine programmers and this mistakes are solved by the engine programmers. >>> >>>But let me look in your bug report to say more. >>>This would be help to solved a problem and if you saw a problem, after all the >>>knowledge you have, I am sure we have a bug. >>> >>>Thanks and good night! >>>Time for my bed! >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >> >>Hi Frank >> >>I can confirm the bug described by Guenther. >> >>Actually Arena helps a certain buggy engine to survive in heavy time trouble. A >>lot of people could even see it in my live broadcasts. >> >>There is no point in helping an engine to cheat. >> >>You will get a bug report by mail soon. >> >>Olivier > >Hi Olivier, > >I have an other opinion about it. >This isn't a bug, is a feature :-) >And Arena have a nice option against it! >This option isn't a bug too, its a feature :-) > >But I will look in the "bug" report. >Let me look and I can say more! > >Merry Chrismas for you too ... > >Best >Frank Hi Frank Well... "bug" of "feature" ? If an engine takes more time than allowed by the tournament rules, it should lose on time. Period. As you know, I am an intensive user of Arena, and I genuinely want this GUI to improve. If an engine is buggy and you help it not to lose on time, the author will never care to fix the bug. I am going to open a new thread, so that people can discuss this topic. This is of general interest, I think. My way is not a polemic one. Meanwhile, you will receive a bug report soon. Olivier
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