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Subject: Re: What is new in Arena 1.1 GUI and what now ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 03:56:09 12/19/04

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On December 19, 2004 at 04:54:00, Olivier Deville wrote:

>On December 19, 2004 at 04:14:13, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>On December 18, 2004 at 23:46:26, Olivier Deville wrote:
>>
>>>On December 18, 2004 at 18:53:47, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 18, 2004 at 18:31:04, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Günther,
>>>>
>>>>>I don't understand how your message refers to my Arena bug report?
>>>>>May be you did not understand my message?
>>>>>I explain it again for you: Some engines simply lose on time because
>>>>>they have bugs and it has nothing to do with the GUI, you must live with
>>>>>this fact and deleting their games is wrong!
>>>>>Actually I was talking about exactly the opposite bug in Arena.
>>>>>There are engines which _must_ lose on time because they have a bug
>>>>>at certain time controls, but with the help of a bug _in_ Arena
>>>>>they don't, thus Arena hides the problem and makes it even worse.
>>>>>(details in my previous post - BTW it's easy to reproduce...)
>>>>>
>>>>>Guenther
>>>>
>>>>OK, if you send me the information I will look too.
>>>>You can used the support form on the older webpage or my mail or you can add it
>>>>in our Arena Support Forum on the new webpage.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your efforts!
>>>>
>>>>But let me say the following:
>>>>After 30.000 games here I saw perhaps 20 games "loosed on time" without to see
>>>>the reason. Of course I try not all of the 250 available engines but around 70.
>>>>
>>>>So I speak from 0,06% because the other mistakes I saw are mistakes from the
>>>>engine programmers and this mistakes are solved by the engine programmers.
>>>>
>>>>But let me look in your bug report to say more.
>>>>This would be help to solved a problem and if you saw a problem, after all the
>>>>knowledge you have, I am sure we have a bug.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks and good night!
>>>>Time for my bed!
>>>>
>>>>Best
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Hi Frank
>>>
>>>I can confirm the bug described by Guenther.
>>>
>>>Actually Arena helps a certain buggy engine to survive in heavy time trouble. A
>>>lot of people could even see it in my live broadcasts.
>>>
>>>There is no point in helping an engine to cheat.
>>>
>>>You will get a bug report by mail soon.
>>>
>>>Olivier
>>
>>Hi Olivier,
>>
>>I have an other opinion about it.
>>This isn't a bug, is a feature :-)
>>And Arena have a nice option against it!
>>This option isn't a bug too, its a feature :-)
>>
>>But I will look in the "bug" report.
>>Let me look and I can say more!
>>
>>Merry Chrismas for you too ...
>>
>>Best
>>Frank
>
>Hi Frank
>
>Well... "bug" of "feature" ?
>
>If an engine takes more time than allowed by the tournament rules, it should
>lose on time. Period.
>
>As you know, I am an intensive user of Arena, and I genuinely want this GUI to
>improve. If an engine is buggy and you help it not to lose on time, the author
>will never care to fix the bug.
>
>I am going to open a new thread, so that people can discuss this topic. This is
>of general interest, I think. My way is not a polemic one.
>
>Meanwhile, you will receive a bug report soon.
>
>Olivier

Hi Olivier,

you can say it's a bug if the programmer made a mistake.
If the programmer made it and know what he made you can not say it's a bug.
You can say: It's an option I don't need for some reason.

Best
Frank



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