Author: Frank Quisinsky
Date: 03:56:09 12/19/04
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On December 19, 2004 at 04:54:00, Olivier Deville wrote: >On December 19, 2004 at 04:14:13, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >>On December 18, 2004 at 23:46:26, Olivier Deville wrote: >> >>>On December 18, 2004 at 18:53:47, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>On December 18, 2004 at 18:31:04, Günther Simon wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi Günther, >>>> >>>>>I don't understand how your message refers to my Arena bug report? >>>>>May be you did not understand my message? >>>>>I explain it again for you: Some engines simply lose on time because >>>>>they have bugs and it has nothing to do with the GUI, you must live with >>>>>this fact and deleting their games is wrong! >>>>>Actually I was talking about exactly the opposite bug in Arena. >>>>>There are engines which _must_ lose on time because they have a bug >>>>>at certain time controls, but with the help of a bug _in_ Arena >>>>>they don't, thus Arena hides the problem and makes it even worse. >>>>>(details in my previous post - BTW it's easy to reproduce...) >>>>> >>>>>Guenther >>>> >>>>OK, if you send me the information I will look too. >>>>You can used the support form on the older webpage or my mail or you can add it >>>>in our Arena Support Forum on the new webpage. >>>> >>>>Thanks for your efforts! >>>> >>>>But let me say the following: >>>>After 30.000 games here I saw perhaps 20 games "loosed on time" without to see >>>>the reason. Of course I try not all of the 250 available engines but around 70. >>>> >>>>So I speak from 0,06% because the other mistakes I saw are mistakes from the >>>>engine programmers and this mistakes are solved by the engine programmers. >>>> >>>>But let me look in your bug report to say more. >>>>This would be help to solved a problem and if you saw a problem, after all the >>>>knowledge you have, I am sure we have a bug. >>>> >>>>Thanks and good night! >>>>Time for my bed! >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Frank >>> >>>Hi Frank >>> >>>I can confirm the bug described by Guenther. >>> >>>Actually Arena helps a certain buggy engine to survive in heavy time trouble. A >>>lot of people could even see it in my live broadcasts. >>> >>>There is no point in helping an engine to cheat. >>> >>>You will get a bug report by mail soon. >>> >>>Olivier >> >>Hi Olivier, >> >>I have an other opinion about it. >>This isn't a bug, is a feature :-) >>And Arena have a nice option against it! >>This option isn't a bug too, its a feature :-) >> >>But I will look in the "bug" report. >>Let me look and I can say more! >> >>Merry Chrismas for you too ... >> >>Best >>Frank > >Hi Frank > >Well... "bug" of "feature" ? > >If an engine takes more time than allowed by the tournament rules, it should >lose on time. Period. > >As you know, I am an intensive user of Arena, and I genuinely want this GUI to >improve. If an engine is buggy and you help it not to lose on time, the author >will never care to fix the bug. > >I am going to open a new thread, so that people can discuss this topic. This is >of general interest, I think. My way is not a polemic one. > >Meanwhile, you will receive a bug report soon. > >Olivier Hi Olivier, you can say it's a bug if the programmer made a mistake. If the programmer made it and know what he made you can not say it's a bug. You can say: It's an option I don't need for some reason. Best Frank
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