Author: Uri Blass
Date: 03:56:53 12/22/04
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On December 22, 2004 at 05:34:53, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>On December 21, 2004 at 15:27:20, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 21, 2004 at 15:22:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 21, 2004 at 15:00:26, William Free wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 21, 2004 at 14:12:03, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Are you talking about a 2500 FIDE old GMI, or the current top ten?
>>>>>
>>>>>A. Ponti
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I meant just the average joe blow Grandmaster
>>>
>>>Fritz3 on p90 got the IM norm in 1994 at tournament time control and drew with
>>>some GM's that did not do special preparation against it.
>>>
>>>I believe that my stupid movei on p200 is better than Fritz3 on p90 both because
>>>of better hardware and better software.
>>>
>>>I also believe that joe blow Grandmaster does not do special preperation against
>>>computers so movei can probably beat jow blow at tournament time control on p200
>
>Nonsense, first of all it is not a matter of preparation,not a matter of ELO but
>rather a matter of style.
>Your Movei on a P200 gets easily outplayed by an average GM provided he is an
>experienced positional chess player.
It means that it is depended on the style of the GM.
>
>>>with no problem and movei is not close to be a top program and I guess that it
>>>is 200-300 elo weaker than shredder8.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>It can be wrong only if GM's improved signficantly since 1994.
>
>Certainly they improved significantly
>
>Michael
It may be interesting if there is some analysis that proves it like analysis
that 2500 GM's do less tactical mistakes relative to 2500 GM's of 1994
When I look at games of Emil Sutovsky from the olympiad with movei I get the
impression that GM's are often weak in tactics(both sutovsky and his opponents).
I give one game with examples of tactical mistake that were detected by movei
based on short search(maybe there was a case when it did not see deep enough but
I think that in most cases it is the GM's who do not see deep enough.
[Event "Calvia ol (Men)"]
[Site "Mallorca (Spain)"]
[Date "2004.10.29"]
[Round "14.5"]
[White "Bruzon, Lazaro"]
[Black "Sutovsky, Emil"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D94"]
[WhiteElo "2637"]
[BlackElo "2697"]
[PlyCount "123"]
[EventDate "2004.10.15"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. e3 O-O 6. b4 b6 7. Ba3 a6 8. Rc1 Bb7
9. Qb3 dxc4 10. Bxc4 Bxf3 11. gxf3 Nbd7 12. O-O b5 13. Be2 Nb6 14. Rfd1 Qd7 15.
Bb2 Qh3 16. Nb1 Nc4 17. Nd2 Nxb2 18. Qxb2 Nd5 19. Bf1 Qd7 20. Kh1 Qd6 21. Rc5
e5 22. Qb3 {#} c6 23. dxe5 Qxe5 24. Rxc6 Nc3 25. Rc1 Rad8 26. Rc2 Nd1 27. Ne4
Kh8 28. Ng3 f5 29. f4 Qe7 30. Rc7 Rd7 31. Rxd7 Qxd7 32. Bg2 Rd8 33. Bf3 h5 34.
Kg2 Qd3 35. Qxd3 Rxd3 36. Rc6 Kh7 37. Bxd1 Rxd1 38. Rxa6 Rb1 39. a3 Rb3 40. Ra5
Bb2 41. Rxb5 Bxa3 42. Rb7+ Kh6 43. b5 Rb2 44. Kf3 Bb4 45. h4 Ba5 46. e4 Be1 47.
exf5 Rxf2+ 48. Ke3 Rb2 49. fxg6 Rb3+ 50. Ke2 Bxg3 51. f5 Bc7 52. Kd1 Rd3+ 53.
Kc2 Rd5 54. b6 Rb5 55. g7 Kxg7 56. bxc7 Rc5+ 57. Kd3 Kf6 58. Kd4 Rc1 59. Kd5
Kxf5 60. Kd6 Kg4 61. Rb4+ Kg3 62. Kd7 1-0
[D]3r1rk1/5pbp/p1R3p1/1p2q3/1P6/1Qn1PP2/P1RN1P1P/5B1K b - - 0 26
Sutovsky played Nd1 when Rd6 is better.
Bruzon played 28.Ng3 when 28.Rxa6 is better.
[D]3r1r1k/5pbp/p1R3p1/1p2q3/1P2N3/1Q2PP2/P1R2P1P/3n1B1K w - - 0 28
Bruzon plays 30.Rc7 when 30.Kg1 is better.
3r1r1k/4q1bp/p1R3p1/1p3p2/1P3P2/1Q2P1N1/P1R2P1P/3n1B1K w - - 0 30
sutovsky played 34...Qd3 that seems to be a blunder when 34...Kh7 is better.
[D]3r3k/3q2b1/p5p1/1p3p1p/1P3P2/1Q2PBN1/P1R2PKP/3n4 b - - 0 34
stuvsky played Rb2 instead of Ra2
[D]8/1R6/6pk/1P3P1p/5P1P/4K1N1/5r2/4b3 b - - 0 48
Uri
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