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Subject: Re: Has there been any discussion about CSS 6/2004 sensation article??

Author: Helmut Conrady

Date: 05:06:24 12/22/04

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On December 22, 2004 at 02:43:50, Harald Faber wrote:

>On December 22, 2004 at 02:07:46, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On December 22, 2004 at 02:04:10, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>Hopp oder top – Steigern Tablebases die Spielstärke?
>>>Helmut Conrady untersucht in einem sehr breit angelegten Test die Auswirkungen
>>>der Tablebases auf die Spielstärke von Schachprogrammen. Die Ergebnisse sind –
>>>gerade auch für viele Programmierer – äußerst überraschend!
>>>
>>>Summary in english after reading article yesterday: after 1000s of games with
>>>different levels and engines tablebases seems to have always NEGATIVE effect
>>>on playing strength!! No doubt at all! Uri can easily forget implementing now..
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>      Hi Jouni
>>      From discussions at CSS a lot of people argue that
>>      Helmut Conrady's conclusion would at least be wrong
>>      for games at slow time controls. Helmut tested
>>      at different blitz time level. Personally, I believe
>>      Helmut is right.
>>      Kurt
>
>The argument is easy and logical:
>The more positions you search, the more likely you reach positions from the TBs
>which are relevant for the current position.
>If you search for 3 sec per move it is unlikely that you hit the (right)
>tablebase positions than when thinking for 1 minute e.g.

Harald doesn t believe, doesn t believe, doesn t believe, that the results were
equal at 1+0(!), 1+1 and 3+3 and 9+9. :-)

Helmut



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