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Subject: Re: Fritz Clones?

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 23:27:13 12/22/04

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On December 22, 2004 at 16:43:58, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>On December 22, 2004 at 14:31:15, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>On December 22, 2004 at 12:23:01, Andreas Guettinger wrote:
>>
>>>On December 22, 2004 at 10:45:20, Rafael Vasquez wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>I´ve seen a lot of controversy on the "Crafty Clones" threads.
>>>>
>>>>But when Fritz implemented the null move algoritm in 1995, did beat
>>>>Deep Thought (Hong Kong).
>>>>
>>>>Afterwards several engines (or most?) are using the null move technique.
>>>>
>>>>Can we call them "Fritz Clones" and ban then forever?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>:)))
>>>>
>>>>Rafael
>>>
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Fritz was not the first with null move.
>>>i. e. Fritz could be considered a Nimzo clone and would be banned too. :)
>>
>>No. It was Frans Morsch who first implemented the nullmove as is now in use, it
>>was Chrilly Donninger who first published about it.
>
>No Tony, there are older publications. There is for instance the fine article by
>Goetsch and Campbell in "Computers, Chess and Cognition", eds. Marsland and
>Schaeffer, Springer 1990.
>
>This text had already contained all relevant suggestions, like recursive
>null-move, R>1 etc.. If I am not wrong, then they had been the first to suggest
>this thechnique.

Well, that's a matter of opinion I think, that's why I wrote "as is now in use".
The papers you describe do use a nullmove, but pure as a threat detection
mechanism, while Frans used it as a part of search.

My personal feeling is that that's quite different ( not only because one I
think I could have come up with myself, and the other one most likely not)

Debatable of coarse, also, this is based on the papers I read, you might be
talking about different papers :)

>
>Chrilly had been the 1st to publish a bit of pseudo-code for this.

Yes, and that has its own value of coarse, because that's what gave it to us,
not Frans' work.

BTW, I seem to remember that Chrilly did not only give pseudo code, but also
wrote a simple chessprogram with the code included. ( Minimax ?)

Tony

>
>Uli
>
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>>
>>>regards
>>>Andy



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