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Subject: Re: Fritz Clones?

Author: Juergen Wolf

Date: 03:39:38 12/23/04

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On December 22, 2004 at 19:27:58, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On December 22, 2004 at 10:45:20, Rafael Vasquez wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I´ve seen a lot of controversy on the "Crafty Clones" threads.
>>
>>But when Fritz implemented the null move algoritm in 1995, did beat
>>Deep Thought (Hong Kong).
>>
>>Afterwards several engines (or most?) are using the null move technique.
>>
>>Can we call them "Fritz Clones" and ban then forever?
>>
>>
>>:)))
>>
>>Rafael
>
>The idea of Null move was first desribed by Beal in 1989, and then by Goetsch
>and Campbell in 1990.

as far as i remember pitrat already describes nullmove in the early 80.
i reused his idea of nullmove for the development of a chess-problem
solver (my masterthesis). and pretty sure there are papers published
earlier.

>
>The null move algorithm was never patented, and therefore anyone can write an
>implementation of it.
>
>There is a difference between copyright protection (which covers a single
>implementation [or 'instance'] of an algorithm) and a patent (which covers the
>underlying idea).
>
>As an allegory, I can write a story about a bicycle race called "Le Malliot
>Jaune" and publish that story.  Another person cannot take my story, xerox it,
>change 10 words and publish it under his own name.  That is a copyright
>violation.  He can (however) write his own story about a bike race with very
>similar ideas in it.
>
>On the other hand, I can invent a new cheese grater machine and get a patent on
>it.  If someone else uses elements of my design that are covered by the patent,
>then I could sue them.  Software patents are like that -- they protect the
>fundamental ideas of the algorithm.
>
>I don't like software patents (and hence agree with this):
>http://swpat.ffii.org/players/knuth/index.en.html
>
>But I would (of course) obey any laws regarding them.



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