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Subject: Re: NEED HELP WITH JUNIOR 5.0... please someone answer this post!!

Author: Enrique Irazoqui

Date: 16:03:48 01/20/99

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On January 20, 1999 at 18:30:06, Adrian MacNair wrote:

>     I just received in the mail this morning my purchase of Junior 5.0 based on
>the Fritz 5 engine and interface. Naturally I was very, very excited. I have
>been using Chessmaster 5000 as my game of choice until now, since it is very
>strong and it has has a good interface for a part time user. Perhaps some chess
>background is necessary. I am a decent player of 1900-2100 skill who plays
>correspondence games via email and also sometimes real time on various websites.
>Naturally chessmaster 5000 helped my game a lot, although I found it's endgame
>to be weak, and lack of analysis and PGN reading to be annoying.
>     So I bought the Junior 5.0 engine believing it to be strong enough to both
>teach me and give me a good whooping in the meantime. Well, I must have done
>something wrong, because naturally I wanted to see how it played out of the box.
>Game 1 was against my old CM5000 and I watched them go at it. CM won in about 26
>moves with a checkmate. I then asked Junior to play again a rated game with
>maximum strength. Even giving CM5000 a think time of 1 second, and Junior a time
>of 10 seconds, Junior was destroyed! I tried it next against the freeware GNU
>Chess just to see if my worst nightmare was true. GNU chess (a free program off
>the internet) beat Junior in the 89th move. I then played it myself, on the
>strongest setting, and it made a fatal error in the 26th move by refusing to
>capture my knight and it was checkmate.
>     PLEASE, someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Do I have to purchase chess
>move databases? What do I need? I thought it was a stand alone program. I want
>to learn from the best, and the way to do that is to lose to the best. I did my
>research and Junior was the Microcomp chess champ, and this year is third
>apparently. What am I doing wrong? I am eager to play against a program that
>holds the most challenge for me, not one that goes soft.

You must have something wrong in your setup. On your P200MMX with 64MB RAM, how
big are the hashtables of Junior? My first thought is that they may be too big
and lots of computing time is wasted in memory swapping. Is your disk spinning
when Junior plays?

Try the Juniormark, short and long, and post them here. We'll compare them. J5
should beat the hell out of Gnu chess (and almost everything else), and this
26th move makes no sense. Can you post this game?

Enrique



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