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Subject: Re: How many programs find 14. ...Nxe4

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:39:21 12/27/04

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On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>
>>>>here's the game...
>>>>
>>>>P3/850
>>>>
>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>
>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>
>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>
>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>
>>>      Hi Dan
>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>      settings.
>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>
>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>
>>>>here's the game...
>>>>
>>>>P3/850
>>>>
>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>
>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>
>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>
>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>
>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>
>>>      Hi Dan
>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>      settings.
>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>
>>
>>Interesting;-)
>>
>>My own engine JanWillem, certainly not at the level of chessmaster, finds this
>>move immediately. But now with Kurts story above I am interested to know if this
>>is indeed the best move. Is it an Indication that JanWillem overvalues passed
>>pawns / pawncenters? JanWillem thinks it's drawish.
>>
>>9605 >first : setboard r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b
>>- - 0 1
>>9646 <first : Unknown Command: post
>>9646 <first :
>>9647 <first : pong 2
>>15141 >first : time 900000
>>otim 900000
>>15141 >first : go
>>15181 <first : Book moves: 0
>>15207 <first : 0 -59 5 155 e6d5
>>15210 <first : 1 -59 6 2292 e6d5 e4d5
>>15234 <first : 2 -59 8 8886 f6e4 e4d5 f8e8
>>15351 <first : 3 -30 20 46653 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5
>>15546 <first : 4 -28 39 115095 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 g7f6
>>16007 <first : 5 -16 85 253635 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 b7b6 h2g3 e6d5
>>17281 <first : 6 -35 213 670086 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 e5e4 h2g3 g8f7 e2f3
>>20193 <first : 7 -4 504 1732933 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c3 e5e4 f2g3 g8f7 e2c4 f7e8
>>27970 <first : 8 -11 1282 4567618 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 e5e4 d1c2 f8f7 e2f3 g8f7
>>e2f3
>>48956 <first : 9 -4 3380 11986700 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 e5e4 d1c2 g8f7 e2c4 g8f7
>>b2b4 c5d3 d1b3
>>148816 <first : 10 3 13366 44648725 f6e4 d5e6 d8d1 e6f7 f8f7 h2g3 g8f7 g3e5 g8f8
>>e2c4 f8e8 e6f7 f7f8
>>234641 <first : 11 3 21949 74547567 f6e4 c3e4 e6d5 e4c5 e5e4 d1d2 b7b6 c5a6 g8f8
>>g8f8 c3e4 g7e5 f7e8 e2h5
>>234642 <first : move f6e4
>>
>>
>>Kind Regards, Laurens.
>
>Not really; it is an indication that you undervalue pieces.  See Crafty's bad
>trade code.
>
>anthony

No bad trade code is used by movei.

For values of pieces see the magic numbers of movei.

If you think that you know better numbers you are invited to change them by
writing different number in the changes files and test your changes.

pawn_square_table 990 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 990 140 140 140 140 140 140
140 140 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 125 110 110 110 115 115 110 110 110 100 102
105 110 110 105 102 100 100 101 102 95  95  102 101 100 101 100 100  80  80 100
100 101 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0knight_square_table 210  300  340  340  340
 340  300  210 300  340  350  350  350  350  340  300 330  350  355  355  355
355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360  355  350  330 330  350  355  360  360
355  350  330 340  350  355  355  355  355  350  340 320  340  350  350  350
350  340  320 220  320  340  340  340  340  320  220 bishop_square_table 350
350  350  350  350  350  350  350 300  360  360  360  360  360  360  300 360
360  365  365  365  365  360  360 350  360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350
360  365  370  370  365  360  350 350  360  360  360  360  360  360  350 350
360  360  360  360  360  360  350 340  340  340  350  350  340  340  340
rook_square_table   530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 540  540  540  540
540  540  540  540 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530
530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530
530  530  530  530 530  530  530  530  530  530  530  530 530  530  540  540
540  540  530  530 queen_square_table 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000
990 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 1010  1000  1000  1000  1000
1000  1000  1010 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000
 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000 990
 1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  990 990  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000  1000
 990

Uri



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