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Subject: Re: How many programs find 14. ...Nxe4

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:20:29 12/28/04

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On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote:

>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>
>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>
>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>
>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>>
>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>
>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>
>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>
>Nonsense!
>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc..
>Create Multiple Lines!
>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the
>first PV!
>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous!

No

Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is
not related to the topic.

>I've said it before, and say it again..
>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B!

No

It is not.

By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question
how many programs can find is not interesting.

Uri



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