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Subject: Re: Palm Hiarcs 9.5

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 16:37:23 12/28/04

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On December 27, 2004 at 14:04:26, paul bedrey wrote:

>On December 26, 2004 at 19:36:22, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Yes, its very strong. I played 60 games with ponder at game in 30'against
>>>various opponents on my laptop at 850 mghrtz. The rating I got was 2421 which
>>>was very close to their published number. My PDC was Palm Zire 21 which is the
>>>same processor as your Palm 31. I payed $79 for mine. Pretty impressive price
>>>performance. I've also played it about 50 games against my Cosmos and can only
>>>recall 2-3 losses.
>>
>>Excellent.  I'm not sure about the statement:
>>
>>"My PDC was Palm Zire 21 which is the
>>same processor as your Palm 31."
>>
>> Perhaps that used to be true, but the Zire 21 here:
>>
>>http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/zire21/details.epl
>>
>>has a  126 Mhz TI ARM
>>
>>and the Zire I have is fitted with 200 Mhz Xscale Intel  ARM processor
>>
>>http://www.palmone.com/us/products/handhelds/zire31/details.epl
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Michael
>
>I could have sworn it originally had an Arm processor. I'm not sure how 200 mhz
>in intel xscale stacks up against 126 Arm but if the scale is the same getting a
>faster processor AND color for $110 IS a real bargain! How many games do you get
>between charges? I get 6 games at 30'.

Mt tests indicate that it is almost exactly half the speed of my 400 Mhz Dell
using the Genius program.  Although different OS , both program  appear to give
the exact same analysis when using similiar hash.  In additionm when I OC  both
units to their max, they main that relationship.  Their is one difference with
the Zire 31/Genius combo from the Dell/Genius,  The hash on the Zire maxes out
at 512K.

I am amazed at how powerfull the Palm Zire is for its price -- is much thinner
and ligher than the Dell and to think it it can run this powerful wiyth it being
so thing is amazing .  It is much more powerful than the 32 Mhz dragonball
processor - maybe 20x - I am not really sure.   Hiarcs on the Palm has beaten
Pocket Crafty on the Dell 3-0 in game 30 so far.  PF2 and Genius on the Dell
both beat the HIARCS on the Palm 1-0 so far at game 30.  Keep in mind the Dell
has 2x the horsepower of the Palm.  This is with pondering on (units were
plugged in) and with both unit overclocked.

Chess Tiger is not yet optimized for the ARM, so I have nothing new to report
there.

The HIARCS playing style is clearly unique IMO and even at just 1 second per
move with pondering off - it took me many games to beat it.  Part of it perhaps
was stubbornness on my part and trying to use my time tested methods that I use
against Pocket Crafty and Genius.  The other thing about it -- is that even if
you set it for one second per move - it sometimes uses two seconds or so when
its get into a tough position.

When I the  overclock the Zire 31, Genius can see 51K nps with 512K hash and
overclock, it goes up to 68K nps.  The HIARCS will run about half the nps -- but
it is  a completely different type of program with a lot of positional knowledge
and pruning.   For a machine that weighs in at 4.1 ounces, this is amazing.



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