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Subject: Re: How many programs find 14. ...Nxe4

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 17:24:18 12/28/04

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On December 28, 2004 at 19:37:14, chandler yergin wrote:

>On December 28, 2004 at 19:20:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>
>>>Nonsense!
>>>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc..
>>>Create Multiple Lines!
>>>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the
>>>first PV!
>>>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous!
>>
>>No
>>
>>Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is
>>not related to the topic.
>>
>>>I've said it before, and say it again..
>>>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B!
>>
>>No
>>
>>It is not.
>>
>>By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question
>>how many programs can find is not interesting.
>
>Of course; all Programs that use Chessbase can find it.

By your definition I can also find always the correct move.
I only need to give you a list of the legal moves with an evaluation for every
move.

This is not what most people mean by the term finding a move.

Uri



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