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Subject: Re: test position movei-gandalf

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 18:08:36 12/28/04

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On December 27, 2004 at 17:17:17, Peter Fendrich wrote:

>On December 27, 2004 at 14:28:16, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:52:30, Peter Fendrich wrote:
>>
>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:20:06, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:18:46, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:44:24, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:18:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:15:31, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[D]5k2/8/P5B1/3P3p/3b4/8/1P6/1K6 w - - 0 56 bm d6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Am I right to think that it is a draw after Bxh5?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Note that the position is from a game that was played in the arena tournament of
>>>>>>>frank quisinsky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>see http://www.playwitharena.co.uk/modules.php?name=ATL_League
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Playing both sides with The King, the game ends in a draw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jm
>>>>>
>>>>>Movei-Gandalf6 also ended in a draw after Bxh5 but the question is if there is
>>>>>some win for white that I fail to see.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Note that d6 is a win for white and the question is also how much time does the
>>>>king need to see d6 and not Bxh5
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>Also Kc2 is winning.
>>>/Peter
>>
>>Is it based on computer or human analysis.
>>I did not use computer to analyze Kc2 and I do not see how Kc2 Ke7 wins for
>>white after a minute of thought.
>>
>>Uri
>
>No I just looked at the diagram you gave. I was at my job.
>Now after a little more thorough look I found it wrong but I
>kind of like the idea behind:
>1. wK to b5
>2. P to b4
>3. B to e4 whenever needed
>Suppose that the bK is on d6
>Now I looked for sacrificing the a-pawn by a6-a7.
>After a7 Bxa7 Ka6 Be3 the idea was Kb7, blocking the the black K,
>followed by b5 and b6.
>
>The problem is that it doesn't seem to win...
>Furthermore if black place his king at c7 instead of d6 the sacrifice
>definitely isn't correct.
>
>I nice try, anyhow!
>/Peter

Shredder finds the win...
New game,
5k2/8/P5B1/3P3p/3b4/8/1P6/1K6 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1.Bxh5
  +-  (4.07)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:01
1.Bxh5
  +-  (4.07)   Depth: 1/1   00:00:01
1.Bxh5 Bf2
  +-  (3.43)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:01
1.Bxh5 Ke7
  +-  (2.52)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:01
1.Bxh5 Ke7
  +-  (2.52)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:02
1.d6 Bxb2
  +-  (2.54)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:02
1.d6 h4
  +-  (2.69)   Depth: 2/3   00:00:02
1.d6 Bb6 2.Be4
  +-  (2.44)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:03
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be8
  +-  (3.02)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:03
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be8
  +-  (3.02)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:03
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be8
  +-  (3.02)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:03
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.d6+ Kxd6 3.a7
  +-  (2.69)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:03
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6
  +-  (2.45)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:03
1.d6 h4
  +-  (2.58)   Depth: 4/5   00:00:03
1.d6 h4 2.Bf5 Ke8
  +-  (2.58)   Depth: 4/7   00:00:03
1.d6 h4 2.b4 Bb6 3.Bf5
  +-  (2.65)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:04
1.Bxh5 Bxb2
  +-  (2.66)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:04
1.Bxh5 Ke7
  +-  (3.05)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:04
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Kc2
  +-  (3.05)   Depth: 5/8   00:00:04
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Bd1
  +-  (2.50)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:04
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Bd1 Bxb2
  +-  (2.50)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:04
1.d6 h4 2.b4 h3 3.Bf5 Bf2
  +-  (2.53)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:04
1.d6 h4 2.b4 Bb6 3.Bf5 Ke8
  +-  (2.60)   Depth: 6/7   00:00:04
1.d6 h4 2.b4 h3 3.b5 h2 4.Be4 h1R+ 5.Bxh1
  +-  (2.49)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:06  5kN, tb=3
1.Bxh5 Bxb2
  +-  (2.53)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:06  6kN, tb=3
1.Bxh5 Bc5
  +-  (2.93)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:06  7kN, tb=3
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be2 Kd6 3.Bc4 Kc7 4.Kc2
  +-  (2.93)   Depth: 7/11   00:00:07  8kN, tb=6
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Bb6
  +-  (2.88)   Depth: 8/9   00:00:08  12kN, tb=16
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Bf3 Kd7 3.Kc2 Bb6
  +-  (3.13)   Depth: 9/11   00:00:13  20kN, tb=28
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Bf3 Kd7 3.Kc2 Bb6 4.Kb3 Kc7 5.Ka4
  +-  (3.13)   Depth: 9/11   00:00:13  21kN, tb=43
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Bf3 Kd6 3.b4 Bg1 4.Bh1 Kc7 5.Kc2 Bd4
  +-  (3.04)   Depth: 10/12   00:00:17  33kN, tb=134
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Kc2 Kd6 3.Be8 Kxd5 4.b4
  +-  (2.87)   Depth: 11/13   00:00:27  50kN, tb=199
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Kc2 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.b4 Bb6
  +-  (3.12)   Depth: 12/14   00:00:33  77kN, tb=310
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Kc2 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Be2
  +-  (3.12)   Depth: 12/14   00:00:35  81kN, tb=457
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be2 Kd6 3.Bc4 Bb6 4.b4 Kc7
  +-  (3.37)   Depth: 13/16   00:00:48  170kN, tb=713
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.Be2 Kd6 3.Bc4 Bb6 4.b4 Kc7 5.b5
  +-  (3.37)   Depth: 13/16   00:00:48  173kN, tb=742
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Bb6 5.Kd3 Kd6 6.Kc3 Ba7 7.Kc4 Bf2 8.Bh5 Ba7
9.Bf3 Bf2 10.Bh5 Ba7 11.Bf3 Bf2
  +-  (3.32)   Depth: 14/17   00:00:57  285kN, tb=1706
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Kc7 6.Bc4 Bb6 7.Kb2 Bf2 8.Bb3
  +-  (3.13)   Depth: 15/18   00:01:03  368kN, tb=2138
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Kc7 6.Bc4 Bb6 7.Kd3 Ba7 8.Kc2 Bf2
9.Bf1 Bd4 10.Bg2 Kb6 11.b5
  +-  (3.15)   Depth: 16/20   00:01:11  477kN, tb=3353
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Bb6 5.Kd3 Kd6 6.Be4 Ke7
  +-  (3.38)   Depth: 17/20   00:01:18  687kN, tb=4529
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Kc7 6.Kd3 Ba7 7.Ke4 Bf2 8.Ke5 Ba7
9.Bc4 Bc5
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 18/21   00:01:41  908kN, tb=8155
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.b5 Bb6 5.Kb2 Bf2 6.Kc2 Bg1
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 19/24   00:01:57  1727kN, tb=12351
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Bc7
9.Kc3 Bd6 10.Kc4 Bg3 11.Bf3 Bf2
  +-  (3.23)   Depth: 20/24   00:02:07  2456kN, tb=18829
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Ka7
  +-  (3.48)   Depth: 21/27   00:02:28  5237kN, tb=25350
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Ka7
9.Bg4 Kb6 10.Ke4
  +-  (3.49)   Depth: 21/27   00:02:32  5421kN, tb=28514
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Ka7
9.Kd3 Kb6 10.Kd4 Ka7 11.Kd3 Kb6 12.Kd4 Ka7
  +-  (3.49)   Depth: 22/24   00:02:47  7018kN, tb=36579
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Ka7
9.Kd3 Kb6
  +-  (3.49)   Depth: 23/27   00:03:20  9438kN, tb=48852
1.Bxh5 Ke7 2.b4 Kd6 3.Bf3 Kc7 4.Kc2 Kb6 5.Be2 Be5 6.Kd3 Bb8 7.Kd4 Bd6 8.b5 Ka7
9.Kd3 Kb6
  +-  (3.49)   Depth: 24/26   00:03:57  12951kN, tb=81427
1.d6 Bf2
  +-  (3.50)   Depth: 24/50   00:08:37  42487kN, tb=174331
1.d6 Bf2 2.Bxh5 Bg3 3.d7 Ke7 4.a7 Bb8 5.axb8Q Ke6 6.d8Q Kf5 7.Qh8 Ke6 8.Kc2 Kd7
9.Qhd8+ Kc6
  +-  (3.85)   Depth: 24/50   00:08:54  45812kN, tb=181316

(,  28.12.2004)



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