Author: chandler yergin
Date: 18:36:43 12/28/04
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On December 28, 2004 at 20:24:18, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 28, 2004 at 19:37:14, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On December 28, 2004 at 19:20:29, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>here's the game... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>P3/850 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>[Event ""] >>>>>>>>>[Site ""] >>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"] >>>>>>>>>[Round ""] >>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."] >>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"] >>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"] >>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2 >>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5 >>>>>>>>>14.Bg3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dan >>>>>>>> A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong >>>>>>>> pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another >>>>>>>> engine to play this move without changing some internal >>>>>>>> settings. >>>>>>>> Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com] >>>> >>>>Nonsense! >>>>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc.. >>>>Create Multiple Lines! >>>>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the >>>>first PV! >>>>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous! >>> >>>No >>> >>>Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is >>>not related to the topic. >>> >>>>I've said it before, and say it again.. >>>>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B! >>> >>>No >>> >>>It is not. >>> >>>By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question >>>how many programs can find is not interesting. >> >>Of course; all Programs that use Chessbase can find it. > >By your definition I can also find always the correct move. >I only need to give you a list of the legal moves with an evaluation for every >move. > >This is not what most people mean by the term finding a move. > >Uri PLease read carefully! IF.. and I repeat "IF", you have the capability of generating 'Multiple' PV's in Parallel, "Simultaneously"; (and ChessBase does that) what possible justification do you have for not doing it? Please don't give me any 'Misleading Garbage' like you and Ed did last time! New game, [D]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Shredder 8: 1. ± (1.02): 1...Qd6 2.Re1 Qb6 3.Qc2 Bd7 4.Rad1 exd5 5.exd5 Rfe8 6.Bf3 e4 7.Nxe4 Nxe4 8.Bxe4 Qxb2 9.Qxb2 Bc3 2. ± (1.11): 1...exd5 2.exd5 Ne8 3.f3 Nd6 4.Bf2 Bf5 5.Qa4 Qe8 6.Qb4 Qd7 7.Rfe1 Rfc8 8.Rad1 Bf8 9.Bc5 b6 10.Qh4 3. ± (1.26): 1...Ne8 2.Qb3 exd5 3.Nxd5 Nd6 4.f3 Be6 5.Rad1 f5 6.Qa3 Rf7 4. +- (1.41): 1...Nxe4 2.Nxe4 exd5 3.Nc5 f5 4.f3 b6 5.Nb3 Bb7 6.Rc1 Rc8 7.Qd3 e4 8.Qd2 Rxc1 5. +- (1.44): 1...Qc7 2.Rc1 Bd7 3.Qb3 Rfc8 4.Rfd1 Rab8 5.Qb4 a5 6.d6 axb4 7.dxc7 Rxc7 8.Bxe5 bxc3 9.Bxc7 (, 28.12.2004)
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