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Subject: Re: How many programs find 14. ...Nxe4

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 18:36:43 12/28/04

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On December 28, 2004 at 20:24:18, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 28, 2004 at 19:37:14, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On December 28, 2004 at 19:20:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 28, 2004 at 17:57:24, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 13:39:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:17:24, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 12:00:13, Laurens Winkelhagen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On December 27, 2004 at 01:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On December 26, 2004 at 23:06:19, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>here's the game...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>P3/850
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Fischer Time: 10/10
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[Event ""]
>>>>>>>>>[Site ""]
>>>>>>>>>[Date "2004.12.26"]
>>>>>>>>>[Round ""]
>>>>>>>>>[White "Chessmaster 10th Ed."]
>>>>>>>>>[Black "offset.a5.5"]
>>>>>>>>>[TimeControl "600+10"]
>>>>>>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>>>>>>[ECO "oft "]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1.c4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.e3 Nf6 6.d5 Ne5 7.Nxe5 dxe5 8.e4 c6 9.Be2
>>>>>>>>>O-O 10.O-O cxd5 11.cxd5 e6 12.Bg5 h6 13.Bh4 g5
>>>>>>>>>14.Bg3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[d]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>14. ...Nxe4!?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Hi Dan
>>>>>>>>      A very interesting positional sacrifice to get a strong
>>>>>>>>      pawn center. I however doubt that you will find another
>>>>>>>>      engine to play this move without changing some internal
>>>>>>>>      settings.
>>>>>>>>      Kurt [http://www.utzingerk.com]
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense!
>>>>For those that have Chessbase Newer Engines, Shredder, Hiarchs etc..
>>>>Create Multiple Lines!
>>>>It DOES find it! It also evaluates each Line, and rates them higher than the
>>>>first PV!
>>>>"locking" your engine to ONE PV is ludicrous!
>>>
>>>No
>>>
>>>Of course it is known that many engines can show more than one line but it is
>>>not related to the topic.
>>>
>>>>I've said it before, and say it again..
>>>>"Locking" the Engine to ONE Line is D-U-M-B!
>>>
>>>No
>>>
>>>It is not.
>>>
>>>By giving the engine more than one line you can find everything so the question
>>>how many programs can find is not interesting.
>>
>>Of course; all Programs that use Chessbase can find it.
>
>By your definition I can also find always the correct move.
>I only need to give you a list of the legal moves with an evaluation for every
>move.
>
>This is not what most people mean by the term finding a move.
>
>Uri
  PLease read carefully!
IF.. and I repeat "IF", you have the capability of generating
'Multiple' PV's in Parallel, "Simultaneously";
(and ChessBase does that) what possible
justification do you have for not doing it?

Please don't give me any 'Misleading Garbage' like you and Ed did last time!

New game,
[D]r1bq1rk1/pp3pb1/4pn1p/3Pp1p1/4P3/2N3B1/PP2BPPP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1. ± (1.02): 1...Qd6 2.Re1 Qb6 3.Qc2 Bd7 4.Rad1 exd5 5.exd5 Rfe8 6.Bf3 e4 7.Nxe4
Nxe4 8.Bxe4 Qxb2 9.Qxb2 Bc3
2. ± (1.11): 1...exd5 2.exd5 Ne8 3.f3 Nd6 4.Bf2 Bf5 5.Qa4 Qe8 6.Qb4 Qd7 7.Rfe1
Rfc8 8.Rad1 Bf8 9.Bc5 b6 10.Qh4
3. ± (1.26): 1...Ne8 2.Qb3 exd5 3.Nxd5 Nd6 4.f3 Be6 5.Rad1 f5 6.Qa3 Rf7
4. +- (1.41): 1...Nxe4 2.Nxe4 exd5 3.Nc5 f5 4.f3 b6 5.Nb3 Bb7 6.Rc1 Rc8 7.Qd3 e4
8.Qd2 Rxc1
5. +- (1.44): 1...Qc7 2.Rc1 Bd7 3.Qb3 Rfc8 4.Rfd1 Rab8 5.Qb4 a5 6.d6 axb4 7.dxc7
Rxc7 8.Bxe5 bxc3 9.Bxc7

(,  28.12.2004)




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